Whats your take on chances of ODM winning the by elections
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AGENT4CHANGE,
What rhetoric question! We are in reality watching the orange dream disappearing right in our eyes. Personally, I am thoroughly disappointed by this so called Grand Coalition Government – ODM WING!
I will not beat about the bush, these were my comments in JUKWAA.
http://jukwaa.proboards58.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2358
FIRST
It is sad but true. Complacency has set in and ODM is clearly resting on its laurels. This should be an eye opener – what could have happened had they been elected into government?
Believe it or not; the picture on the ground is;
PNU are said to be front runners in Embakasi, and this is what forced the ODM captain to roll up his sleeves and venture there yesterday. Remember he had previously vowed just two weeks ago that he would keep away from campaigning in the forthcoming by-elections – what has changed now? In my opinion, RAO’s status is a little elevated to be expected to be main player at ALL campaign rallies. Where are middle cadre ODM foot soldiers?? Why cant Margret Wanjiru, ex- MP Reuben Ndolo or even Reddikyulas comedian John Kiare hit the campaign trail to campaign with Passaris. The people I mention are well known in the Nairobi grassroots circles having lived in the city for many years before venturing out to successful careers. They are also popular among young people in the slums – yet we cant see them. makes me wonder, were these only joy riders in the ODM boat, or is the ODM much hyped campaign machinery dead?
Additionally, KADDU’s candidate in Emuhaya may just emerge the winner in Emuhaya following door to door campaigns by Jirongo and company. Murmurs can be heard int he background that ODM nominations were not all that free and fair. The ODM Western Kenya pointman is clearly a lame duck. Musalia has yet to politically reign in on the antics of Ababu Namwamba and he has yet to address any significant campaigns for the ODM candidate in Emuhaya. The last time he spoke about these by-elections was during Raila’s thanksgiving ceremony in Bondo a couple of weeks ago!Speaker Marende’s failure to openly endorse the ODM candidate and his behavior ever since being elected SNA has raised more questions than answers. All these have confused the rural electorate and ODM’s opponents like Jirongo are capitalising fully. I may also remind you MM’s relationship with Moi goes much deeper than that Moi has with Uhuru/Kalonzo axis. Moi is related to Mudavadi by blood and as they say, blood is thicker than water!
Ainamoi has apparently been left to ODM Kipsigis rebels to campaign for Too’s brother. They want the MP to join them in opposing ODM from within! Lt. Gen (rtd) Koech and several other influential leaders who supported ODM in the last elections have instead thrown their weight behind a UDM candidate. Obviously Moi, with his deep pockets, is having a field day in Ainamoi. Ruto is stuck in Rome attending the FAO summit – on behalf of Kibaki and it doesnt need much imagination to see why Ruto was sent to attend a a Heads of State summit while Kibaki relaxes at State House. The Kosgeis of this world, who should have been on the ground campaigning for ODM’s candidate are contented flying ministerial flags and they are nowhere to be seen. Meanwhile the clock is ticking to June 11th.
Wajir North is even crazier because it is said the two candidates who tied last year have reconciled and the ODM candidate is ‘openly’ campaigning for the PNU candidate!
Unless God works miracles, ODM will be shocked when results are announced. Even with Prof. Anyang Nyongo calling press conferences at Orange House to complain of advance rigging by ECK is pointless because it will be intepreted that ODM is crying wolf. ODM needs to revive its campaign machinery NOW!
ODM appears to have put all their hopes on RAO campaigning for these candidates – something I am attributing to lack of regular strategy meetings by the Pentagon and also even more depressing, lack of political grit by the party’s deputy captain Musalia Mudavadi!
SECOND
Mzee, Are you implying that because ODM was victorious in 2007, its candidate is guaranteed to win back this seat?
If you understand the dynamics of politics you will appreciate that (a) there was once an ODM wave in most parts of the country, but with a GCG in place, ODM’s political strength has somehow been reduced. (b) Individual popularity alone does not guarantee one a highway to victory in a by-election. (c) the fact that the party is sharply divided on
You will agree with me, Speaker Marende’s 2007 victory was not as ‘big’ as you would like us to believe. As a former ODM MP, he is obligated to endorse ODM’s choice. He does not have to do this directly at a public rally. There are many ‘symbolic’ ways of showing a political preference.
Musalia Mudavadi – supposedly ODM Kingpin for Western province – is completely missing in action. The significance of winning this seat for Musalia cannot be gainsaid. This is a man who harbours presidential ambitions for God’s sake! It is apparent; Musalia has no political spine. With FORD-K leadership already vanquished, Jirongo is now selling himself as the Luhya Political leader and taking advantage of Musalia’s inactivity and the fact that the latter is widely perceived to be a political puppet of RAO.
All that aside, as I type these lines, the ODM candidate – who is short of cash – has been camping in Nairobi for the last one week seeking campaign funds from friends and well wishers. This is just under a week to the election date! Infact, he has scheduled a fund raiser tomorrow (Thursday) in the city. In the meantime, back in the village Jirongo and his KADDU candidate are holding meetings with majority of ODM councillors, church leaders and addressing campaign rallies on each and every market day. The PNU candidate Norah Olembo is also meeting women groups everyday, and campaigning at every corner of the constituency/district. NARC-K supremo led by newly installed Chairperson Martha Karua are said to be planning to raid the constituency this week. What about ODM? Still fund raising?
I am not in anyway pushing for an ODM loss in Emuhaya. All I am saying the 2007 ODM wave is now a fallacy. Musalia, Okemo, Sambu, Oparanya and Khaniri are duty bound and must get together and support ODM’s Otichillo.
Kilgoris? Dont even attempt to go there. Ntimama and Ruto have not even set foot here. Instead, former speaker Kaparo is having a field day. He has effectively managed to convince the majority Maasai community to support PNU ‘s Konchella against ODM’s Kipsigis N’geno. It is no longer a political contest in Kilgoris but an ethnic war. What has ODM done so far? Nothing worth talking about. I can only see rebel ODM MPs on the ground.
THIRD
May be now that you guys are flying flags and seem to have abandoned the dream we all had, tell us, DO THINK WE SHALL WIN THESE ELECTIONS?
PS;
Kindly ask the captain to update his website.
You guys have really let us ODM supporters down!
What is ODM’s pentagon strategy on winning by-elections and redeeming support lost through the events that have taken place over the last 6 months?
I support ODM as a party but there is near zero interaction with the virtual community and mostly there is just speculation as clearly this thread will demonstrate.
Wow Phil, you must have posted just as I was writing this comment above. Its exactly my opinion, though i don’t use as many words.
@ Phil… wow! You have said all there is to be said.
Phil,
You are damn right on each and every sense.
However, there is nothing much to lose or gain in the by-elections. We are one nation under God and may the best candidate win and let all of us congratulate him or her. I would only support a win for a Masai in Kilgoris. It is the best thing to do since this is a Masai country which has hosted the Kipsigis. How do you expect a Kipsigis to win against the Masai? I dont care whoever else wins in other constituencies which are of mixed races but I say “no” to the domination of this worrior-like tribe.
Let us reform the electral process in Kenya, initiate the truth and reconciliation in our country and never again condone killings in the name of elections. May all Kenyan tribes be assured of justice, right to life and liberty.
I’M SO HAPPY FOR OBAMA……..guys tribalism is evil why can’t we pull our country together,,,……YES WE CAN.
Guys i like real odm where democrasy rules……..if OBAMA is on the way to show bush,mcain the door i think we can……
God has been great to me and soon i will be contacting all you guys we blog with and we will find the way forward.
in addition to phil’s notes:
The process of neutralize and destroy is in top gear through this By-election. The slim majority ODM enjoyed will be wiped clean of the Table. It’s all over as fast as it happened, could you believe six month are not over yet? What will happen to ODM and RAO in the next 12 months, 24 months or 4 yrs?
Waziri mkuu will probably not have any followers left maybe NDP but there will be a massive and serious Youth challenge within Luo Nyanza.
Mudavadi will be back where he belongs with the Moi’s
Ruto will be sucking on Uhuru’s(GEMA) Knee-caps to fed of Gideon.
Jirongo will be riding high in western and on Uhuru’s left wing icluding ODM rebels.
Saitoti, Martha and Kiraitu will be waiting and GEMA/Maasai/Samburu/N.frontier region will vote as a block to a man
Kalonzo will need to recognize GEMA first with all his Kamba people to come closer for consideration. His votes will be split three ways in 2012- Ngilu, Mwau and GEMA
The Youth will still be in jail(25yrs minimum term)while some will hang; Ruto and Kosgey together with his son will pay for this in 2012.
The National accord states that the party with the majority in parliament will bear the PM’s office holder. 2012 will be a 1,2 & 3 knock-out punch. The search for the chemistry solution for this is in top notch.
The squeeze is on, will ODM survive to 2012. Good Luck
Whatever the outcome of the byelections is, it is irrelevant to what is going on now. PM Raila Odinga must do everything in his power to forestall a more portent danger in the ferocious war being waged against him now using VP Kalonzo and the security people.
PM Raila must position his men in right places to keep the USA, British, and EU envoys aware of the war being fought against him. These envoys had promised to monitor and ensure that the Kofi Annan deal is respected. PM Raila should also be reaching out to the leadership of Ford Kenya and New Ford Kenya parties.
IT IS A SHAME AND THE HEIGHT OF FOLLY FOR THE SECURITY PEOPLE TO HUMILIATE THE PM.
http://www.eastandard.net/news/?id=1143988055&cid=4
VP Kalonzo and the security people must look back at some current happenings and historical facts, namely:
1. VP Moi was humiliated as much as PM Rail currently is and by different government officials and mostly by one provincial police officer in charge of Rift Valley province. His name was Mungai. The humiliation did not stop Moi from becoming president.
When Moi took over as president, Mungai took off to Ethiopia hitch-hiking, walking, running, riding on camels, and using any means that could take him as fast as possible to the border. President Moi was so gracious that he forgave Mungai and invited him to come back home. Mungai spent the rest of his days a broken man.
2. JM was killed by, amongst others his own friend who later became the commissioner of police in Kenya. The weight of the guilt of agreeing to be used to kill his own friend weighed down on the man and by the time he was dying, he was a broken man always in tears begging for forgiveness from JM’s family. The man died a miserable death.
They may have stopped JM from becoming a presidential candidate but they could not add an iota of more time for their man to rule for ever.
3. VP Kalonzo used to present himself to Kenyans as an intelligent and principled man but he is now coming undone. The cover is coming off. The VP should face this truth and cultivate mutual respect with the PM and work with him for the benefit of Kenyans.
The VP is being used like a pawn and the votes he hopes to get in return for his services are not there. When the time comes, most of central province votes will go to the rising political star from that province and that star is a lady.
Give her credit. She is tough and decisive. Her people know what she is worth for them. The VP will be looking at empty ballot boxes in most of the Kenya provinces, including central province, when the elections are called. So why should the VP allow himself to be used?
Those who have been watching this lady know that she is very smart. She has established a presidential bid secretariat with the government paying for her staff. She has a bunch of young people in her establishment.
The only blunder the lady made was to bring yesterday’s people and in particular the former VP for a ticket on young leaders, new ideas.
KENYA IS A DYNAMIC COUNTRY. THERE IS NO GOING BACK. DO NOT ACCEPT TO BE USED. DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND ACCORDING TO THE LAW. HUMILIATING THE PM WILL NOT PAY.
Drawing Parallels between Raila and Kibaki is wrong. Some feel that Raila shud adopt a laid back way of working. Let the lieutenants run the show. Let Raila do his thing.
Mcain is said that has a sharp mind decades behind his actual age. The same applies to Kibaki…….he has the mnd of a 12 year old.
Leaving all the fight to Raila will be to our folly. The real force behind Kibaki is the ever vigil working force. Six months after the elections …..we are still doing home coming parties and strategising……..
At this rate Jogoo_Shujaa i see why you are skeptic.
Was happy that Clinton recognized the power of technology and how the internet speared her compaign…..she thanked all the youth who volunteered to blog and raise her to the number slot in the primaries.My fellow kenyans, upto date, Raila our Mere PM by name didnt even value our effort…..shame on you Raila and your party.
2012 we ll try a fusion of Gema and Kamatusa and weight the outcome….
Where is William Ole Ntimama. For a long time my other half has been a target of being sidelined by the majority groups in Kenya. How come he is not talking that we are now under threat from the Kipsigis in Kilgoris? And since the Kalenjin have been denying other tribes from occupying their land in the north Rift, how come they so readily encroach the Mau and Kilgoris as their God-given right? It is the high time that the Kalenjin recognize that just as they have a right to own land in Narok and Kilgoris, so do the Kisiis and Kikuyu have the right to occupy land in Olenguruone, Kipkelion, Bomett, Eldoret, Kapsabet and other Kalenjin areas. All we need is for the government to help communities maximaze land use and create other ways to live a gainful life and owning just a small plot will be sufficient to people. The government should also encourage people to bury their love ones in graves rather than in the farms (I know this will take probably 40 years to change).
Did you realize that the Keiyos and the Marakwet and Pokot did not target the other tribes as per say. The Tugen were pushed into the game (ask Musa Sirma and Lesonet). Normally the Tugen are peace-loving and Godly people and I am sure just a few criminals (so called youth) caused the mayhem because they wrongly thought they could overthrow the government
And Kibaki was a God-given rescue to the GEMA and Kisiis. There was a pre-election agreement that if ODM took power, all those occupying rental houses would “nationalize” for themselves whatever they had. The vast land owned by Kikuyus, Kisiis and Luhya in RV would be taken over by the Kalenjin in an ODM government and like Orengo said, the IDP would be settled elsewhere. They were to accomplish this through the same way Mugabe expelled the white farmers in Zimbabwe. What they did not realize was the price that would be accompanied by this action. Fortunately we are in for increase prices of maize (Ksh 60 per gorogoro at the moment) and other basic commodities. I wonder who the masses will blame- the arsonists and Killers who burnt maize, killed innocent women and children and displaced people so that they could not till their land or the government.
We are all paying for our silly actions -especially politicians who instigated the whole fiasco.
the Ngilu thing at Wilson Airport was a shame. Can you imagine that she so hates Kalonzo such that she starts throwing jabs without verifying whether actually the VP was using government resources or hired it.
I know that Madam Ngilu is a fighter but in a war, there are rules of the game. Otherwise she will start to embarass herself by continuing to follow Kalonzo around. She seems to be underestimating this man to her own detriment. When Kalonzo talked of “a miracle” he was surely in the way of the bigger miracle and it will surely come and since it is from God, it will suprise many. Miracles take time unlike human revolutions which depend on the emotions of the day.
karua has to be joking
http://www.eastandard.net/news/?id=1143988101&cid=4
extracts that have completely left me stunned, read the complete article to understand the context, but these statements are totally inexcusable
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” … Karua said host communities in areas where people were evicted did not harbour ill intentions. They are good people….”
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after the gruesome events, this statement has no meaning
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“…The minister said the IDPs should not rely on the Government to bring peace between them and their neighbours …”
“..She also said the IDPs should not expect the Government to pay for their losses to the last cent…”
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the true IDPs (not the guys taking advantage of these displaced kenyans) already know this and already have their own recommendations.
but this takes the cake
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….Addressing the faithful, the minister said Kenyans should no longer trust what politicians tell them as gospel truth.
“Ours is to incite you to fight and kill each other, while our families are safe locally and abroad,” she said.
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First in the same breadth states that she (as a politician) is not to be trusted, but also goes ahead and states exactly what everybody who’s been claiming for amnesty has stated, that even more guilty are the sponsors and instigators of violence.
So why not arrest the politicians and let them suffer the same fate as the protestors and criminals that took part in the violence.
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Railka
On the Kalonzo issue,
first is whether state resources were being used to campaign, and we also note that there was an agreement in cabinet not to do so, then that is an issue
second, what other sure method is there for whistleblowers to be heard and action taken. we have seen that kenyans in general and even ministers have to make loud public utterances in order for acts of impunity to be addressed. onus is on whoever we call govt, to credible avenues, but until then, we should expect more of the same
third, is the issue of decorum, that went out of the window 2005, and mutual respect of position, individuals, citizens etc completely broke down and the elections fiasco and now grand coalition are just extensions of this. from the protocol issues earlier on, to the recent scuffle by security details and now this. it is no wonder that more and more schools are resorting to protests because right at the top, there is no decorum, and whenever there is decorum, its abused to hide and abet sleaze.
it is very sad indeed
correction above,
onus is on whoever we call (coalition) govt, to create working and credible avenues for whistleblowers to report in confidence suspect deals or issues, and thereafter followed by credible and timely investigation leading to credible conclusion exonerating the suspect or followed by due process of law to prosecute or discipline the errant officer if found to be in the wrong. the nonsense of commissions on top of commissions is so out of date. and people have lost faith in the kenyan justice system and credibility of leaders. even the leaders themselves (see karua article above) have lost faith in themselves
MANY THANKS, PRESIDENT MOI FOR ALL THAT YOU DID FOR KENYA
Many thanks for your leadership and vision, President Moi. Today, Kenya is reaping the fruits of your leadership in several sectors, including:
1. PEACE AND UNITY OF KENYA: President Moi, you handed over a peaceful and united country to Kibaki in January 2003.
2. THE FREEST AND GENUINE DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS: President Moi, you presided over the freest and genuine democratic general (presidenntial, parliamentary, and civic) elections that Kenya has ever had in December of 2002.
3. SAFARICOM: President Moi, your government initiated reforms, modernization, and expansion in the telecommunications sector, including the launching of Safaricom, Comunications Commission of Kenya, and Telkom Kenya. It is great to see today that Safaricom is one of the leading engines of the Kenyan economy.
4. PARALLEL DEGREE PROGRAMMES: Presidenty Moi, your government did not only expand higher education opportunities for our people by establishing more universities but you also had the foresight to establish the parallel degree programme, which has become a win-win vehicle for both Kenyan students and public universities. Kenyan students now have many opportunities to further their education at the end of which they will play their role in building Kenya. The universities have also benefitted from a new source of revenue.
5. GOVERNMNENT BUILDINGS: President Moi, I am amazed at the ample office space that your government created in Nairobi and elsewhere. Corruption through artificially-inflated and exorbitant rental fee has been cut down.
6. LEADERSHIP: Thank you President Moi for training Kenya’s future leadership. It is great to see a plethora of Kenyan leaders in Kenya today. Kenya is blessed with an abundance of great leadership whose begnning and middle are directly a result of your efforts.
7. GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS: THank you, President Moi, for respecting government regulations while you were in office. You never at anny time set aside any government regulation for the benefit of your friends. In fact, no one was such a great friend of yours to the extent that you put them before Kenya. You always held Kenya first and foremost.
As you know, President Moi, the developed nations have been successful because they respect the rule of law and abide by all regulations that govern government and society. IT IS HOW ORDER IS SUSTAINED.
8. TREASURY: Thank you, President Moi, for giving Kenyans of all ethinic backgrounds an opportunity to serve in any office in the Republic of Kenya. It is heart-breaking and it does not augur well for Kenya at all to see in a function, such as in the Safaricom function, only members of one ethnic group gracing the function.
I WILL CONTINUE TO ASK THIS QUESTION: WHY ARE KENYANS FROM OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS BEING SHUT OUT OF TREASURY?
I thank you, President Moi, because you gave an opportunity to Kenyans of diverse ethnic groups to serve in the Treasury and in security. Many thanks, President Moi, for Mr. Chris Okemo, for Mr. Chris Obure, for Ms. Sally Kosgei, and for many others who are doing their part today to build a united and propserous Kenya for all Kenyans.
ONE CAN MAKE APPOINTMENTS THAT ARE TAILORED FOR THEFT OF PUBLIC FUNDS AND EXTORTION BUT THIS IS FOLLY SINCE OUR KENYA TODAY IS STILL A POOR COUNTRY THAT RELIES ON THE GENEROSITY OF OTHER NATIONS FOR SURVIVAL.
I have said many things I have given many warnings. I HAVE BEEN PROVEN RIGHT ON MANY IF NOT ALL OF THEM.
GENUINE DEMOCRACY IS THE ONLY TOOL THAT WILL UNITE KENYA.
I urge all Kenyans not to play games with the will of the people. Let democracy rule Kenya.
Funny that Moi is hitting out on radio stations and not GEMA.
Anyway
we are not fighting a new battle abroad. See what they wrote about Raila
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6460939&postID=110048585413339986&page=2
and the political comedy continues
http://www.eastandard.net/news/?id=1143988144&cid=4
probably some scheme to start undermining the weaker links.
Maru Kapkatet,
I agree with you on each and every word you have said about Moi. I am suprised that a few months ago this Kenyan heroe was treated with disrepect by Rutoh, Raila and other ODM politicians. They asked the Kalenjin to reject his wise counsel and you readily went by that. Now a whole generation of our young people is at the periphery of self destruction. Moi described ODM as a bus hattling towards self-destruction. While Moi over the years restrained himself against acting like Robert Mugabe and was humiliated by us in 2002, he could not allow women and children be subjected to the suffering seen in the beginning of 2007 especially in RV. Yet all of you here on this blogg and members of police force were applauding even as a Church in Eldoret was doused with petrol and set ablaze. None of the ODM luminaries ever uttered a word condemning the incidence. Even today, not even the PM sent a word of condolence. Yet when some people were killed by police in Nairobi, the leaders flocked the stadium for a memorial service. To them, those killed in RV were less human than those murdered in Nairobi. To me all the dead innocent people whether killed by police or Mungiki or Kalenjin worriors are our heroes. Our leaders are the biggest traitors we have be they in both parties. Slowly by slowly our country will degenerate into a lawless nation of anarchy where maraunding gangs reign and tribalism is the order of the day with each and every tribe blaming the other for the woes facing this nation. The Gema People are ready to usher in another person to lead Kenya so that they are not blamed for the ills facing this nation. None of their leaders is ready to compete for the high office in the land for the next 50 years untill half of the Kenya tribes occupy that seat. All they want to do is to work for their childrens and make Kenya a better place to live in. May all kenyans work hard it improve their lives.
When Moi was about to retire, he only saw only a young man who was capable of uniting Kenya. I do not know how true that was but at least one thing was for sure- that those who shouted loudest that “Mois must go” would also one day shout “Moi must come”. And this is the time to change our tune. This man is a nationalist and he loves Kenya. He is not perfect just as the president of the world super power is not perfect.
TNK,
How come Raila use the wildlife choppers? We want to hear from those places whether the two gentlemen are paying for the choppers. Again if that was a cabinet decision, dont grown up know where and how to solve their differences. Even when we have domestic quarrels, aren’t there avenues to solve those issues?
Unfortunately our politicians are not leaders. They are setting a very bad example for our children. Is it possible for our young men and women to have the courage to sit down and talk if a mother like Ngilu shows them to strip in public? We expect some form of decorum from our politicians. Do you think Musalia Mudavadi would involve himself in such an act? I doubt that. This man should be in anybody’s or any tribe’s presidential shortlist.
Now that parliament has reopened I hope these MPs get their priorities right. There is a long list of reforms required starting with passing control of the parliamentary calender to the house. we need to hear more about reforms and policy changes that improve the livelihood of kenyans. we also want to hear about the scam to pay off former MPs, this is shameful and Marende should not be involved in such a scam. we also want some more information on why assistant ministers have yet to receive their appointment letters etc.
My deepest condolences to the families of Hon. Kipkalya Kones, the assistant minister, and others who died in the plane carsh in Enosopukia.
I request PM Raila and Minister Ruto to be careful when they travel. They are targets.
Condolensces to the family of our brother Kipkaya Kones and the assistant min who died today. This is most unfortunate as Kones was destined for great things in his ministry. I firmly hope that the cause of the crash will be throughly investigated. There have been far too many crashes of these helicopters in the last few years.
That aside I pole to the his immediate family, and the the ODM family that have lost yet another member.
Is there a plan to kill all the Kipsigis MPs, I ask Mwai Kibaki.
All the MPs who have died this year are from ODM, WHY?
The majority of MPs who have died this year are Kipsigis, WHY?
Under Kibaki’s rule the highest number of MPs have died, WHY?
IS MWAI KIBAKI THE ANGEL OF DEATH?
Should Kenyans and especially ODM supporters brace for more deaths amongst their MPs?
condolences to the family and odm membership, this is just too much tragedy one after another. kenyan airspace does not have so many accidents, what is happening?
AS ODM SUPPORTERS GO TO VOTE, THEIR EYES WILL BE AWASH WITH TEARS. THIS, UNFORTUNATELY, WILL BE THE WAY OF LIFE FOR THEM UNTIL KIBAKI EXITS.
In Anaimoi, the grave is still fresh as they vote but across, in two other constituencies of Kipsigisland, they will soon be preparing to dig new graves and prepare for other by-elections.
As the voting goes on and as new graves are dug, many families in Kipsigisland are still mourning – some are mourning for their children who were executed by police. In Kericho town alone, about 100 Kipsigis youth were massacred by police. In Litein, Londiani, and Mulot, many more youth were killed by police.
As many families mourn for their dead children, others keep watching the road to see if their children who were rounded up by police are coming home. As they wait for their children , they are fearful because they know only very well that Kenyan police cells and prisons are death chambers. These parents can only pray that their children will not be infected by HIV.
In 2003, the Kipsigisland was a country of tears as many of their sons and daughters were removed from their jobs for the reason that the “government had changed”. In 2008, the Kipsigisland is faced with another tragedy – loss of life.
Despite the tragedies, the Kipsigisland must forge on.
All Kenyans must forge on, praying and hoping that they will soon have a true leader.
THE THING THAT I FEAR MOST IS THAT BECAUSE MWAI KIBAKI IS A WEAK LEADER, HIS MEN COULD BE BUSY PLANNING A STRING OF KILLINGS. I FEAR FOR PM RAILA. I FEAR FOR WILLIAM RUTO.
I ask these ODM leaders to minimize their air travel within Kenya and use road travel as much as possible. I ask them to avoid as much as possible travelling by government helicopters and planes. Kenya is a very dangerous country right now for members of ODM.
Mwai Kibaki is hooked onto economic growth without paying any attention to providing security to all Kenyans. while Kibaki talks economy, his men may be plotting how to silence Raila and Ruto.
Kalenjin Community in Dallas
P.O. Box 743246
Dallas, TX 75374
http://www.kcdallas. org
10 June 2008
FOR PRESS RELEASE
CONDOLENCES – HON. KIPKALYA KONES AND HON. LORNA LABOSO
Dear Family, Friends and Constituents,
It is with a deep sense of regret and sympathy that we have learnt about the plane crash tragedy that has befallen our leaders – Hon. Kipkalya Kones and Hon. Lorna Laboso. Kalenjin Community in Dallas Texas wishes to extend sincere condolences to their families, friends and constituents.
They will be greatly missed for their dedication, courage to speak their minds and sacrifice to their constituents. As we try to make sense of this tragedy, we offer our continued prayers and support.
We wish to extend our deepest heartfelt sympathy for the loss.
Duncan Langat
Director of Communication, KC Dallas
Cc – All Media Houses
Deep condolences to the ODM family and the Kipsigis community.
Will ODM majority survive…….read my post for june 7th , 2008 @8.40pm
INTERGRITY IS WHAT YOU DO WHEN NO ONE IS LOOKING.
jogoo
with all due respect to your opinion,
if people supported ODM for the ideals, then ODM will go well beyond 2030, but if it was for other reasons then we’ll wait and see. I also dont buy that coalescing around gema, we need to coalesce around ideologies and not tribal inclinations. you are an educated person and its disturbing that you still subscribe to some of these narrow minded tribal leanings.
gema, kamatusa, and any other tribal body are extremely useful in society to act as pillars of cultural values and common point for societal integration as well as provide a unifying or central forum for cultural activity, but these are not to be used as tools for ethnic hegemony, which it appears is what you are advocating for. if i read your intention wrong then i apologise
For national growth we have to rise up and look beyond myopic ethno-centric cultural and tribal affiliations and instead reach out for nationalistic qualities that will enhance and embrace much needed wider social integration with the premise of making the entire country prosperous through better utilisation and management of its rich resource base. its very dissapointing for someone of your calibre to take us back to where we have been trying since 2002 to get away from.
jogoo the above is in reference to your june 7th post, and again if i misunderstood i apologise but if assumed or implied ethnic hegemony is the thrust of your message then i reiterate that its very disappointing that people who should know better are still clinging to the very narrow minded processes amplified by colonialists and which continue to be used to fragment and segregate the country rather than work towards uplifting those that foster mutually beneficial integration
PM RAILA OWES IT TO THE BEREAVED FAMILIES OF HON. KIPKALYA KONES AND LORNA LABOSO AND THE ENTIRE KIPSIGIS COMMUNITY TO INSIST AND HAVE AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE PLANE CRASH THAT KILLED THESE TWO.
THE BLACK BOX MUST BE RETRIEVED AND PRESERVED AND HELP SOUGHT FROM THE BRITISH, CANADIAN, OR USA GOVERNMENTS TO FULLY INVESTIGATE THE CRASH. UNLESS THIS IS DONE, THERE WILL BE MORE ODM DEATHS AND THE KIPSIGIS MPS ARE GOING TO BE WIPED OUT.
I FIND IT STRANGE THAT MWAI KIBAKI TODAY CHOSE TO HEAP PRAISE UPON PRAISE ON PM RAILA, WHOM KIBAKI’S MEN HAVE BEEN HUMILIATING IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS. WAS KIBAKI TRYING TO APPEASE RAILA?
IT IS A COWARDLY ACT TO KILL A WOMAN IN SUCH A WAY. WHY? UNTIL INDEPENDENT AND PROFESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS HAVE BEEN CARRIED OUT BY A THIRD PARTY (AND DEFINITELY NOT KIBAKI’S MEN), THE ASSUMPTION SHOULD BE THAT THERE WAS FOUL PLAY THAT LED TO THE PLANE CRASH.
I DO NOT BELIEVE AND NEITHER SHOULD ANY NORMAL HUMAN BEING THAT THE HAND OF DEATH HAS BECOME SO PARTISAN THAT IT ONLY GOES FOR ODM MPS.
FIRST OF ALLL……
I send my condolences to the immediate families of kones and lorna…..may God bless them in this time and give them strength because He’s the only justice and protecter………..not govt./politics of the day/ other people……
MARU .K.
Watch out politics will take away your point of reason, ideals in life……
why do i say this?
when you equate everything to the politics of the day,……..even suggesting somebody killed woman (lorna) then politics is taking you away from the real meaning of life, trust in LORD for things you really don’t know………
I’ve always said it’s unfair when you blog about things you don’t know, hearsay, vague interpretations of events you are creating hatred among people
….and also fear…….
Just an advice……
Maru,
You can blame Kibaki all you like, but no murderer goes unpunished, whether they cut up political deals to save their skins from the mass murder they committed.
shedding innocent blood is a hateful deed and all those who killed innocent people, whether they kiled kyuks or luos or kalenjins will pay in the fullness of time.
There is a higher power than Kibaki and He cannot be bribed with coalitions and titles.
Am desperately trying to be sad about the two politicians….but I remember the wailing children in that church in Kiambaa or the family in Naivasha huddling together as the flames licked them….the terrified woman dragged out of a matatu and chopped up to bits on the hot tarmack……..
I cant sympathize…..am sorry
Can ye draw blood from a stone
Death is not a punishment. Otherwise Mother Teresa would still be alive. We are the living dead and each second that passes we draw nigh to the inevitable. What matters is what you do when alive.
Turncoat,
That is the most brilliant statement ever made on this blogg. In simply words, we are all on a journey.
Maru,
Why don’t you borrow a leaf from Kip and other progressive Kipsigis. I somehow agree with you that there is an angel of death hovering over our nation. That demon can only be removed by remembering the words in scripture that says “If my people, who are called by my name, shall repent and turn from their wicked ways, then I shall hear their prayers and heal their land” (paraphrased). Our nation is bleeding and is weighed down by sin. We all celebrate when our “boys” strike and kill innocent fellow Kenyans. Why, because it serves our egos and political agenda of the day. Yet there is only one giraffe who knows very well that the survival of our great nation depends on our unity inspite of our diversity. And that man is President Moi and I will stand with him forever. Our current generetion of leaders need a regeneration of some sort if our nation is to come back to life.
Even the mainstream media is awash with propaganda, hate speech and partisan politics. Who will save us from the likes of Maru Kapkatet. God in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, save our nation.
Talking about Kones and Larboso, Only God knows what happened. If you want to politicize the tragedy and whip ethnic emotions, then that is between you and God Maru.
Just as a matter of info, as soon as PNU gets majority in parlierment, they will pull out of the coalition. What is ODM planning to do? It is no secrete that a few more MPs will be killed and the bielection will favor PNU. ODM must employ strategists. All the ministers and prime minister are now busy and they are the same people who are supposed to strategise for ODM. May I say that ODM is beginning to rot from within.
Barack
Dear PM Raila,
YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. IT IS A DEADLY ARRANGEMENT AND MANY ODM SUPPORTERS, AND IN PARTICULAR KALENJIN MPS, ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR LIVES. THE WRTTING IS ALREADY ON THE WALL.
I am talking about the domination by Mwai Kibaki’s men in Treasury and Security. This issue has become a song for me because I have been seeing the immense danger that is there in it.
I am amazed that PM Raila and many of his ministers who have a lot of experience in government do not see it. PM Raila, there will be no democratic elections when Kibaki exits. PM Raila, you stand no chance of becoming president when Kibaki exits because your supporters are being killed into submission.
FIGHT IT NOW. FIGHT KIBAKI’S EVIL WEAPON OF TRIBALISM. PM RAILA, START TODAY. THERE ARE SECRET MEETINGS THAT GO ON EVERY NIGHT AND WHEN KIBAKI SUMMONS YOU TO STATE HOUSE, IT IS ALL “SMILES”. HE IS FOOLING YOU, PM RAILA. HE KNOWS WHAT HIS MEN ARE UP TO.
AS LONG AS 80% OF TOP SECURITY MEN ARE KIBAKI’S TRIBESMEN AND AS LONG AS 90% OF TOP TREASURY OFFICIALS ARE KIBAKI’S TRIBESMEN, ODM MPS ARE ONLY A WHISKER AWAY FROM DEATH EVERYDAY.
Let us use the Artur brothers, as an example. There could be new Arturs and not the ones we saw before.
The minister in charge of internal security is Kibaki’s tribesman. He is in the loop and knows that the dangerous duo are in the country. The minister of defene is irrelevant and is out of the loop while the real power-holder, the commander of the army, is in the loop and is aware of the presence of the Arturs.
The managing director of Kenya Aiports Authority and who should no longer be in the civil service but was brought on for a purpose is Kibaki’s tribesman. He is in the loop and help facilitate the Arturs travel in and out of Kenya and into and within every area (even the secure areas) in all airports in Kenya.
The director of national intelligence and criminal investigations are both Kibaki’s men and are in the loop watching their watchers and making sure that only their tribesmen are in the loop.
The top officials in the Treasury are Kibaki’s tribesmen and are in the loop. They are tasked to maintain sufficient operating fund to pay the Arturs their per diem and other expenses including acquisition of weapons and ammunitions and bomb-making materials.
Once every week, these senior Kibaki men meet. They discuss and they come up with plans. PM Raila is completely in the dark. He is not aware of their regular meetings. He does not know that they even meet. It is a sealed and dangerous outfit, closed to all other than themselves.
They do their thing and they never talk leaving the talking to Maj. Gen. Ali and Makwere, the outsiders. They choose their mouth pieces well from other ethnic groups.
They target whom they want to eliminate and at the blink of an eye, their victim or victims are gone.
Who knows, they may already be paving the way for Uhuru. Who knows, they may have targetted the most eloquent of Raila’s supporters to eliminate in order to make the path straight and easy for Uhuru.
In the meantime, PM Raila is singing the song that “The coalition government is here to stay”.
What coalition government, PM Raila? Do you not see what is happening to your supporters – in the air, from the air, on the ground, in police cells – they are eliminated one by one.
UNLESS AND UNTIL THE TREASURY IS PROPERLY STAFFED AND UNTIL AND UNLESS THE SECURITY FORCES IS PROPERLY STAFFED, PM RAILA AND HIS ODM MINISTERS ARE WALKING ON DANGEROUS GROUND AND ON BORROWED TIME.
It is sickening for Chirau Makwere to announce that the plane carsh that killed Hon. Kipkalya Kones, Hon. Lorna Laboso, Mr. Bett, and the pilot was an accident that was caused by bad weather.
Even the most experienced aircraft accident investigators will never announce the cause of an accident until the black box has been analyzed and the prevailing weather conditions at the time of the accident have been analyzed. The debri must also be tested to check if there is some trace of bomb material or explosives. The autopsy on the deceased must also be done to determine if there is any trace of explosives on their bodies. The plane could also have been shot down.
WHEN WERE ALL THESE DONE FOR CHIRAU MAKWERE, KENYA’S MINISTER OF TRANSPORT, TO DETERMINE THAT BAD WEATHER WAS THE CAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT?
KENYANS WILL ACCEPT ONLY WHAT INDEPENDENT EXPERTS DETERMINE TO BE THE CAUSE OF THE PLANE CRASH. IF THET DETERMINE THAST IT WAS AN ACCIDENT, THAT THE CASE WILL BE RESTED. UNTIL THE INDEPENDENT EXPERTS HAVE ANNOUNCED THEIR FINDINGS, CHIRAU MAKWERE SHOULD STOP INSULTING THE BEREAVED FAMILIES.
The only thing that gives me hope and the families of the deceased is that, and I am sorry to say this, that a foreigner (a German national was involved) so there will be proper investigations.
IF IT IS PROVED THAT FOUL PLAY WAS THE CAUSE OF THE PLANE CRASH THAT KILLED LORNA AND OTHERS, THEN KENYANS MUST CAMPAIGN IN LONDON, IN BRUSSELS, IN WASHINGTON, IN NEW YORK, IN TOKYO, AND EVERWHERE ELSE IN THIS WORLD TO HAVE KIBAKI’S PNU SIDE OF THE GOVERNMENT DESIGNATED A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
As much as it may sound too coincidental be judged an accident that ODM has now lost 4 MP’s most of whom from the RV, I want to aviod such a conclusion as it is dangerous, let us wait becuase I know ODM will not accept any attempt to brush all this off, and that they are closely wathcing how it is handled. Besides the PS in transport is an ODM appointee so we can expect that the investigations will be conclusive.
Further although in hindsight Kilgoris was a bad move placing a Kalenjin in a Massai ancestral area, I guess the Konchella campaign which was about fear, ( i happened to have heard the gist of the campaigns there, telling the locals that the state planned to remove massais from their land, and only having one of their own would help stop this. about how visitors to their land should not lead them etc)
anyway that and the fact that Embakasi where PNU realsied that they split the vote so coming together was always going to present a tough opponent for ODM.
My point is, I disagree with Dr Barack above, ODM have the numbers and that should not easily change bearing no conspiracies, further ODM can not afford to spend all their energies strategising against the unwell forces on the other side, the country needs develiopment, and I for one I’m happy that they spend their energy implementing some of the promises they said they would.
ODM unlike some other I believe hold strategic dockets, in that they will affect the lives of the majority of the country, the poor. Through infracstructure, agriculture, water and irrigation and health, and land reforms are badly needed at thje grassroots and as such they need alot of energy and I would rather see it diverted there.
To the point that Kibaki still controls treasury, well if you saw the vision 2030, of whichj a large chunk is from the ODM manifesto!, you will see that of the 1.6trillion to finance the projects treasury uis only expected to provide 500b in 5 yrs whilst the large chunk through PPP. My fellow comrades I understand the principles behind PPP and I can tell you that with the right private sector participation, the promises made are not a dream but very realistic.
With Kajwang in his docket, ODM can ensure a conducive and attrative athmosphere where private sector from outside can do business in Kenya without too much red tape etc
So ODM and RAO are still in a fairly storng position unlike what some may want to believe.
Both ODM and PNU have the guts to move Kenya to the next level of development. People blame Kibaki for paying too much attention to the economy. Yet what is making Kenyans angry is poverty and insecurity. If you provide the necessary basic needs to our people, they care less who is at the top. Lets wait and see what will happen as our politicians come back to their senses.
am laughing my head off. I am no fan of ODM but any group of people who would chose Waititu over Passaris are worthy to remain in abject poverty and retrogression.
Maybe I need to start working on my grren card application. this country is utterly hopeless
I disagree with Dr. Barack Obonyo.
Forget about the PNU propagandas. Why use the figures for election of House speaker?
These are the real figures for ODM coalition. Forget the PANU propagandas.
ODM 103 ( Pure)
PICK 1
UDM 1
PDP 1
NARC 3
TOTAL 109
Could anyone tabulate the PANU Numbers. Don’t include the non-aligned like KADDU 1 and CCU 2.
from idps to IDM’s (Millionaires)
JOSEF STALIN SAID THAT ITS NOT THE VOTES THAT COUNT BUT WHO COUNTS THE VOTES.
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