CABINET STALEMATE

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61 Responses to CABINET STALEMATE

  1. Otsiatso says:

    Question????

  2. tnk says:

    the question of forming a cabinet is a relatively small task and yet its totally deadlocked.

    now imagine the chaos that will ensue when a cabinet minister from opposite side of the divide is found to be un-cooperative and the issue needs to be addressed through firing the minister and the PM and president are not in agreement. what happens then, people? And just how much bad blood will need to fly? THe cabinet minister will poison his constituents mind against the PM or president. THis is just not a workable solution and was meant to be an interim and transitional political solution but its just impractical since the leaders do not want to comprehend or attempt to make it workable.

  3. rafiq says:

    This stalemate is costly unnnecessary and ill timed. The issue here is sacrifices. I think ODM has sacrficed enough that if we were to go further then we are better off as opposition than money guzzlers in a politically sterile PNU government.

    Where on earth have you ever heard a minister being persuaded by an executive president to relinguish his post? Even other ministers doing the same? What amount of intimidation is this?

    I think the ODM parliamentary group needs to meet then travel all over the country to meet the people and explain this cowardly leadership from the other side and get a way forward.

    I was and remain cautiously optimistic. Nobody who cares for this country can hold it at ransom as Kibaki is doing. Kenyans used to blame Lucy for misadvising the president. Who shall they blame now?

    In conclusion, Annan comes or fresh elections after massive civil disobedience so that a new lean govt can come in. It may be cheaper to hold fresh elections and get an economically affordable govt than remain in impasse with a proposed bloated one.

  4. Turncoat says:

    THE CABINET IS STALE AND IS MATING WITH THE FUTURE OF KENYANS.

  5. Chirchir says:

    Hon Kibaki says he is willing to conclude these issue??? Translation
    As soon as you are ready I will do it my way,the same way I had planned when I named the 17 member cabinet.

    Alfred (Mutua on classic fm now) says that Hon Odinga have always agreed with Kibaki on alot of issues,only for Odinga to change once at pentagon house!!!!
    and I think thats quite the opposite

    If that was the problem why cant they meet at 8 a.m discuss the issues have the minutes typed and read by a joint secretary in a press briefing in the presence of both prinsipals,then we would know who changed over night.

    I previously told you guys that even if odm was willing to share power,no one would be willing to do the same from the other end.
    As an oracle of predicting human behaviour I will offer you my free forecast.

    “There shal be no political will to share power coz pnu only needs to make some more 3 appointments probably 2 from odm-k and one from kanu/ford-k. So many of PNU ministers do not like the deal and would not mind if ODM cut the wrong wire and have the whole thing blow up”.

    The question is as a party do you have a strategy!!!!!!!! or you have played all your cards.

  6. Abok says:

    These are the questions to be answered for us to have a cabinet;

    1. Is Muthaura the private secretary of the president or of a CABINET which is yet to be formed? As far as I know, he is the head of public service & secretary to the cabinet. His duty ends with the public service and the cabinet. Since the cabinet has not yet been formed, he should cease from being the presidents messenger and delivery boy. I believe the presidents office has persons who can do this job.

    2. What is the difference between Government and Cabinet? it seems like there are some people especially in the PNU side who do not know the difference. The Peace Accord talked of sharing of government where protfolio balance shall be observed at all times. This is what Rice meant when she talked of REAL POWER SHARING. It looks like there is need for this interpretation to be made to the PNU fellows as to what this means. I dont see the coalition government working if there is no real power sharing. And the real power sharing covers all presidential appointments. This had to be so because the “PRESIDENCY” was disputed after the election of December. if it were not so then no one would have asked for power sharing at all. This is a unique period in Kenya and it must be taken as such and therefore real power sharing has just to be done for Kenya to walk past this phase. But it seems like there are people out to block this process hence the stalemate.

    3. The fear factor, why? Looking at the moves made by the two principals, it looks like by themselves they can cover good grounds, however, when the deal between them reach their circles, especially the PNU side, red flags are raised almost immediately. This is due to the fear factor. Fear that ODM side will be more powerful with such and such a ministry, fear of losing clout at home and abroad if such and such a ministry goes, fear of not satisfying all the parties in the PNU coalition etc. These are what is holding Kenyans hostage. Where as ODM captain knows what he wants when he meets his counterpart, the PNU head maybe, seem to concede to things which get reveresed when he is in the company of his mafias. My suggestion, RAO should meet with Kibaki, but during the meeting, any agreement reached should be put on paper and signed by both of them before they leave the room. This way there will be no room for manipulation or even if they backtrack then it will be clear that they were not for the accord in the first place.

    4. What is the option now? Let ODMers be calm and peaceful as we give the captain a chance to take Kenya forward even amid all the difficulties. I am optimistic that we can move forward even if it is an inch. The idea is to have the cabinet in place, get the constitution done and then take a better cause because I doubt we can last five years like this if agreeing only on sharing real power is such a monumentous task like this.

    Finally, lets continue to lend our support where it is needed as the battle is not yet over.

  7. TURNCOAT says:

    Am atimes amazed at how optimism clouds our minds. Sometimes back a report contained in the times magazine cited that whereas the africans were not the richest lot – the Nigerians are considered the happiest people on earth.
    The best way of taking advantage of an african is putting it in a story. Dreams of granduer and a super hero raila. At a lunch yesterday i heard a group of supporters yapping about the unknown powers of our leaders. We dream will others relive our nightmares. Kibaki would have sleepless nights if we refused to cooperate. That should start now. Go slow on the govt. If Kibaki thinks that ATABAKA nchi Kisha ajipanguse na Chama basi Kilio chaja.

  8. baijo says:

    The stalemate caused by PNU guys refusing to cede some ground is causing a lot of stress which will soon explode beyond anyone’s imagination. Kenya belongs to all Kenyans and not a few farting men and women surrounding the most Horible MP of Othaya. All Kenyans need to belong and feeling represented in the affairs of running the goverment. Short sighted fellows like Uhuru K. and the rest of newfound hardliners in PNU will always fail. They will never take Kenya anywhere unless they cooperate.

  9. Railkamuodho says:

    let us be genuine, the deal was forced peoples throat. It was Kofi Anan who came to Kenya with the monster called “GRAND COALITION”. This was not a Kenyan dream or idea. That is why it is so hard to implement it. As for those calling for things like demo, mass destruction and others, be assured of this- FAHARI WAWILI WAKIPIGANA NYASI INAUMIA. We are the nyasi as our leaders continue with life as usual. I can see doom in the near future. And no one except God sees what is in store and only Him can save the situation. I do not believe that PNU and ODM can work together and the sooner we have new elections the better. The only way to go about it is when the current constitution is suspended or all MPs resign. But can they dare do that?

  10. Railkamuodho says:

    Both Raila and Kibaki feel they are the leaders. I wonder who is who. Can the commission formed to investigate conclude their findings and put the issue to rest once and for all?

  11. Maru Kapkatet says:

    This is the moment Mr. Kalonzo Musyoka could seize to speak for Kenyans and show Kenyans that he is a leader worthy of the presidency but instead, like the government spokesman, he is parroting for Kibaki.

    Mr. Kalonzo Musyoka does not seem to be getting what type of people Kibaki and his asociates are. They convinced Kalonzo to help Kibaki now so that when the next presidential elections come, they will support a Kalonzo-for-president and Uhuru-for-VP ticket.

    If Kibaki and his associates cannot respect an accord, and a written one at that, mediated by a long-serving United Nations Secretary General, will they even entertain being reminded about a promise they gave Kalonzo oin exchange for his support?

    If Kalonzo can clear the mist before him so that he can see clearly, he should realize that the Kibaki people are using Kalonzo for survival now and have no intention of ever supporting him for president. When the next presidential elections come and Kalonzo goes to Uhuru to ask him to be his running mate as per the promise, Kalonzo will be shocked to be told this:

    “I am Uhuru and I never made no deal with you. All I know is that I stod down for Kibaki in 2007 and I am standing for president and as nobody’s running mate. Did you not have a lady running mate? What became of her?”

    It is quite clear to a keen observer that Uhuru Kenyatta wants to retain the ministry of local government to use it to cultivate grassroots support for his presidential bid. Uhuru will be a presidentail candidate whenever the next presidential elections will be called – upende, usipende Bw. Kalonzo.

    Kalonzo should be using the opportunity that appears to have been delivered on a silver platter to stand up for all Kenyans. If he does so, Kenyans will give him a second look. He should not fear the rsik of losing the vice presidency now, which afterall, will come to haunt him later.

    Kalonzo Musyoka is clearly a smart man and should be able to discern what a disaster Kibaki is for Kenya. Kalonzo should be actively putting a distance between himself and Kibaki. Kalonzo should be charting a people-focused political course.

    Whatever Kibaki is doing or avoiding to do are based on fear and insecurity. There can be no good leadership when one is overwhelmed with a feeling of insecurity and inadequacy as Kibaki is. The sycophants will exploit Kibaki’s fear to the maximum and only Kenya will suffer as a consequence.

    I wonder what other PNU leaders are thinking. Is it really worth supporting a selfish and ethnically-biased leader like Kibaki at the expense of the wider and larger Kenyan population. Is it worth it Kenda, Ford Kenya, Ford People, and all you small parties?

  12. karanja kamau says:

    BOLD MOVE………..
    Can we all urge our mps to tender letters of resignation immeadeatly……this will inturn lender parliament useless and will mean the collapse of the goverment and fresh mandate from the electorate.
    REASON
    1.As it stands now there is too much mistrust between ODM/PNU…if agreeing
    on a small issue about portifolio balance is hard what about running those
    ministries/govt.
    2. Once parliament is dissolved there should be a firm commitment by
    everyone so as to have an international election commission before
    elections are done.
    3. In the same elections we should chose eminent persons to form
    consistuent assembly for the sole purpose of fine tuning the bomas
    draft and making a new constitution in place in 6 months.

  13. tnk says:

    it is evident that PNU is going to muscle its way into power. the only way to do that is to disenfranchise ODM MPs through bribery and intimidation (carrot and stick approach enticing/offering cabinet posts to some while harassing others). this is turning out to be the worst leadership in the history of kenya. ODM leadership should know that decisive action needs to be taken fast. We cannot continue to leave things to fate. there must be some reasonable method of recourse. and resignation is not the solution because that will hand over to PNU all the leadership on a great big old silver platter.

    the govt as presently constituted is illegal after enacting the peace accord. thats the place to begin.

  14. rafiq says:

    I go back to what we said earlier, we cant be ruled by thugs from one province. Let them rob and steal from those who accept. AS for me and my people who transcend the tribal divide its time to rise up against these thugs and create a lesotho for them. I am tired of mediocre leadership and selfish greedy polticians. We have to reclaim our dignity the earlier the better.

  15. Railkamuodho says:

    Rafiq,
    I agree with you brother. The sooner you put yourself and offprings in the streets the better. Pleae do what you know best from Kibera to other parts of Kenya.

  16. Railkamuodho says:

    Maru,
    you have been calling Kalonzo a traitor just like mzee Moi. How can you turn a traitor into a saint? All these guys have their eyes in the 2012 prize. Wait as chaos unfold in the “mother of all battles”.

  17. rafiq says:

    RailK,

    Nobody can accept slavery and dictatorship. By the way your psychopathic old leaders and their trainee young ones dont know that stealing is crime actually its heroic. Thats the difference you have with other Kenyans including your own tribesmen-branded traitors,the Kiais of this country.

    Anyway lets see as the days unfold how the thieves looters robbers will cope with the demands of the people and international community. If you think its Kibera alone protesting you are wrong. I hope you are blogging from a safe distance so you dont understand the frustrations of Kenyans across the board/read tribes.

    Now your thieves and allies want did i hear 2o ministries instead of 40! You can fool aome people some time but not all the people all the time, with your elementary level reasoning.

  18. jaugenya says:

    Iam sick and tired of hearing people calling Railas name in the same breath as Kibaki, Raila is not holding back anything he has already gone beyond our expectation , we must remember that here is a man who won the elections and humbly accepted to be number two for the sake of peace and for the love of kenyans.It is Kibaki who is causing the stale mate and even my 1 yr old daughter knows this.I believe that had Raila been president and was caught up in Kibakis situation he would have done the manly and honarable thing of stepping down and getting a fresh mandate from the people.At this point i fully support the pentagon’s decision to suspend talks because we are tired of these childish games.I was watching KTN news at 7.000 pm and this woman with a baby on her back drove me to tears , these are the kind of people who have hope in Raila.I know Agwambo is always a step ahead and whatever games pnu are planing will not pass , Raila we are with you 100% and so is God almighty.Finally Agwambo , please reject any security detail from these bandits because the way things look these people who purpot to protect you may actually harm you.

  19. tnk says:

    on a side note

    http://www.eastandard.net/news/?id=1143984537&cid=4

    this is stupid. some of these older guys need to retire

    1. computers don’t make errors, humans do

    2. garbage in garbage out

    3. same program has been in use for decades, what changed?

    4. why was the “erroneous” grading selective?

    5. how do we know that these “errors” or glitches have not been occurring in the past?

    7. what steps have been taken on the COBOL programmers who programmed the error? was it deliberate or inadvertent? what made them change a program that had been working dine before?

    9. if its not a programming error is it the mistake of the guys inputing data for certain schools? was it deliberate or accidental? what input method changed?

    days of blaming computers with some obscure reason only work with the wazee generation, they should try another lie.

  20. faith says:

    IAM FLABBERGASTED!!!!!!!!!! by the pumbavu na ujinga(pnu) side this is a very direct issue the agreement says that the cabinet will be divided 50-50 and following portfolio balance period and following the statements released by the two sides it is obvious who is delaying the implementation of the accord the ODM side explicitly gave the Kenyan people a break down of what transpired from the time the two principals agreed on the cabinet on thursday and the time the talks broke down on sunday afternoon but look at the pnu side there only defence is that odm should come to the table to do what eat left overs to hell with them and how dare Kalonzo tell us that if Kibaki decides on election they are ready infact we are more ready than they are so RAO and the pentagon let us not play this ping pong game with these people the next time Kibaki calls them for a meeting is when he has decided to follow the “thursday 3rd agreement” to the full any thing else is a waste of time.

  21. Railkamuodho says:

    I do not think there is hunger looming. check this one out:

    http://www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=3&newsid=120750

    Many computers are like human brain and cannot fail. They are like human gods. We must continue to look for problems all over and heap on this government as a strategy. We should even blame them for looming hunger and sicknesses. This way, we will keep the president occupied. And by the way, ODM should keep pressure on Kibaki so that he can sign another agreement after a historic meeting of 100 ODM MPs.

  22. Railkamuodho says:

    TNK,
    you must be a bitter person. I think that you forgot to take you pills for a couple of days. But it is understandable. When you talk about Kenya vs Central, you are wrong. I think we can settle this thing once via an election. Since Kibaki has the executive powers, he can dissolve parliament and use the technicality of not having served two 5 years to contest. I dont know whether an election will be possible. And by the way, can ODM change the constitution without PNU? This is highly unlikely. I don not know whether this is elementary. Why are you bitter with me brother. Can we agree to disagree?

  23. Railkamuodho says:

    Moi is not talking. Maybe it is the high time we sought his advice. Wazees used to solve their problems differently. But I understand we are the young cursed generation ready to consume ourselves in our anger and greed.

  24. Railkamuodho says:

    “Now you are saying Moi must go, one day you will remember me and start saying Moi must come.” These were prophetic words of the giraffe some years ago. And non other than Jaramogi Oginga Odinga called Mzee the giraffe. Right now “Tunajikaanga na yetu wenyewe tukongozwa na Balala na Rutoh”
    Mungu atusaidie

  25. NURIA ABDI(from mandera) currently in eastlands NAIROBI says:

    hey……..kenyans cant u c that ODM and RAO have sacrificed alot….1 by allowing a bloted cabinet of 40? I wish RAO would not have alot 40 cabinets..2. power sharing means PNU and ODM are equal partners and hence should share the powerful ministries as NAJIB said if they take defence we ODM will take internal security…but RAO just accepted this bloted cabinet coz of kenyans and wanted to form goverment fast so that they settle the IDPS but in vain coz they power hungry PNU cabinets are just there for their personal interest……..i urge OUR leader RAO to not go beyond that enough is enough i guess PNU and kibaki now know that RAO can soften his words and agree on what ever they ask…..PLEASE PLEASE DONT ACCEPT ANY OTHER AGREEMENT AND LET PRESIDENT BE WISE ENOUGH AND FOLLOW WHAT HE AGREED WITH RAO ON LAST THURSDAY…. RAILA WE ARE PROUD OF YOU AND OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU ALWAYS……BE BLESSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    OR BEST SOLUTION IS FRESH ELECTION…….

    ODM DAMU…

  26. NURIA ABDI(from mandera) currently in eastlands NAIROBI says:

    woooooooooooooooooooow ATE PNU AND AFFILIATE PARTIES ARE READY FOR FRESH ELECTION WHAT A COMEDY? ODMers ENOUGH we are tied of all this nonsense games that PNU are playing with minds of kenyans ….have they forgotten that they are pple still in camps and anxious than the rest of kenyans since their living conditions is wanting….

    WE ODM SUPPORTERS FULLY SUPPORT THE decisions MADE BY OUR jakom and the PENTAGONS……..and we urge them to always stick to their words….

  27. mumias says:

    Guys, we should not worry too much about the current stalemate:-
    1.my only concern is peharps the anxiety that is building up amongst our supporters in some areas. As they said it will take some time to agree with germany and Belgium as recent examples.
    2. What most of us have missed here is that this is no MOU, this is an agreement that was in the constitution, if you want proof ofd this, read the story carried in the nation where Wako said that PNU could not name it’s share of ministries without Raila’s approval.
    3.The fact of the matter is that PNu is currently in Govt, they have the jobs, ODM is on the outside, the onus is on MK to share power in accordance with the accord and the law of the land. So the longer this plays out the weaker he then becomes and the better position we then have.
    4. Fact is by leaving the talks, we have effectively said this game of musical chairs is over, we want key points first addressed before we go back to the table. Further we again gain the moral victory by snatching the 40 cabinet proposal from MK, he now has to come back to concede ground if we are to inch any further forward, and frankly I dont see us revising upwards past 38.
    5. By being transparent and accountable in informing the public of the progress and frustrations being felt plays well for ODM and again further strenghtens our position.

    Frankly I think we actually hold the cards, Remember MK can not form anything without our say so, the longer this continues the more the country becomes closer to a constitutional crisis. Further as Wako pointed out we could actually successfully challenge the current cabinet as being unlawful as it does not represent the accord and constitution in full.

    Let Kibaki hang on as much as he wants, MK has always been unable to make the tough decisions, which is why he always seeks to advise of his ministers before deciding anything. However unfortunatley this is one decision he can not run away from.
    And finally unlike earlier we have the full force of the law and constitution behind us. You have our constitutional lawyer in the name of Orengo to thank for this.

  28. Kim says:

    PNU are day dreamers, if that is there joke then let Kibaki call presidential election now even with useless Kivuiti’s commission and see the truth now, how can somebody who lost elections call for fresh election.

    PNU has full time jockers, now they are talking about a cabinet of 20 ministries, i do not not know whether Mathare mental hosi can admit these day dreamers, we are tired of these loose mouthed characters who just open their mouths for the sake of it, we all know KMusyoka was a daydreamer but his statement yesterday confirmed it all.

    ODM please remember PNUs yesterday talked of setting MK free, now we are waiting to see how he will conduct himself when free.

    My biggest question is why PNU simply refuses to note that we are talking about REAL POWER SHARING amongst equals, for somebody to misinterpret the peace accord for the sake of their own survival is simply being selfish.

    Honestly PNU is in power coz of a stolen election and even issue of equal partners should not arise, but for the sake of Kenyans languishing in IDP camps Kibaki please think about our brothers, sisters & children and BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF, (28th Feb 08) is not long ago and if you can forget that easily then we made a mistake to vote you in 2002.

    Personally i am disheartenned the way my poor kinsmen are suffering yet MK is still clinging to imperial powers which do not help common people, please think about others also.

  29. rafiq says:

    Guys you are dealing with heartless, selfish, greedy lot of human beings who would rather steal from a dying person than help them seek medical care. How a doctrine inculcated in somebody and perpetuated over 70 yrs, that other beings are inferior can suddenly be changed remains a mystery to me. Only God can help this nation

  30. Jogoo_Shujaa says:

    @tnk and fellow friends

    How do you like the sequence of events since my fridays entries on the previous string? Did I miss a thing?. The next phase is going to send you to the floor. Let me just say RAO and Kibaki are not the principals and the courtiers are not who we/You all think they are- MP’s. Did I mention about code RED..Yes, I did and same people are going to lose it all; If you decide to play outside the set rules, then we have no choice but to kick them out.
    We need to start accepting that the problem lies with the politicians; anything & everything they say should not be accepted as supreme; they are just actors in this theater and can be replace with abled and disciplined individuals.

    We are seeking Principled Men with Valor to do the work for KENYA and her people.

    You will have to be ready.

  31. Railkamuodho says:

    Kim,
    The reasoning going round that you need a cabinet to resettle the displaced people is not sincere. How do you expect for some people to trust the so called “Kenyans” vs “Central” if they are using them as pawns. I suggest that the government proceed with the resettlement of IDPs even as they continue with negotiations. The police should also allow the demonstrators to do what the” know best” without teargas. The youngstars should also avoid destroying the lifeline that serves people in western, Nyanza and neighbouring countries. Otherwise strong action should be taken against such crooks. Detroying infrastructure has nothing to do with cabinet.
    Mark my words, there is looming hunger in Kenya and this will leave millions in desperate need unless remedial measures are taken yesterday. Unfortunately with power blinding our people, I do not see this coming soon.
    How much will cabbage, maize and potatoes be costing in major cities in the near future? This is probably the amount of food that could be produced by the half million Kenyans. But then, let politics reign supreme.

  32. rafiq says:

    Scared of hunger? Dont worry your ministers will import enough maize for a kill to supplement the decreased production. As usual they are more focussed and look a head-at least when it comes to money. They dont care whether its their own brother or sister dying of hunger.

    We are where we are bcoz some people have this strong belief that no one else can rule and Moi was a mistake never to be repeated. I just wish there were alternative school of thought.

    Keeping everybody hostage with mistrust is not good for everyone.

  33. rafiq says:

    @Jogoo,
    The sooner the better we are tired of parasites feeding on our limited supply of finances to line themselves upto their 2oth generation. We should act sooner. I think the middle and low class plus the hardworking upper class are all united. We need to reclaim our nation from these guys.

  34. rafiq says:

    The issue at hand here is power. If somebody cant share power what makes you feel he can surrender it by going for fresh elections. That is more difficult than sharing government. If forced too they will shoot and kill more than 100x they killed last time.

    Interestingly the church which was very vocal last time after the Accord are now quiet again cant offer any leadership due to tribal interests. The Muslims already have a stand. No wonder catholicism is dwindling faster than the rise of Islam. I am not a religious fanatic but this is the observation even made by the pope himself.

  35. Jane says:

    What is the meaning of ‘ taking into account portfolio balance’, and ‘power sharing’?. Could the persons who drafted the PNU affiliates( the leading coalition) vs ODM partnership deal, tell us what they meant.

    Politicians wishful thinking of politicising everything is disgusting.

    Ambassadeurs must STOP interfering with Kenya’s internal affairs. RAO and ODM would acquire more credibility if they stopped running to these foreigners for solutions everytime an issue arises in the country. Has RAO or ODM ever been invited to America, Britain or Netherlands to go and help the opposition or government find solutions to the many political issues in those countries?.

  36. rafiq says:

    Jane,
    For once let me answer you. It is inhuman to pass by as your neighbours house burns because you are not invited or you are not affected. If the world came in earlier Rwandese would probably have been 4 million more than they are now. The world stood as massacre continued in similar circumsatances. I respect our sovereignity but if the foreigners would help settle the IDPs then let them come. Its too cold to stay in such circumstances, waiting for an elusive internal solution.
    I now understand that you are one of those who pretend to be Christians as you quoted several things from the bible earlier YET never closer to a good samaritan at all!

  37. tnk says:

    jane

    if someone said you were foolish it would be because you have done, do, or say/write foolish things

    it therefore follows that a politician deals within the realm of politics. so what exactly do you mean politicians politicising are disgusting?

    note also RAO/ODM do not run to these people

    these friends of kenya are simply tired of the kibkaki/pnu stupidity and expressing the same.

  38. karanja kamau says:

    TWO THINGS SHOULD STOP……

    1. Blanket condemnation of central kenya due to ills/foolishness being
    done by the leadership which is holding this country in ransom….
    this should apply to all communuities if the leaders come from that area
    and they are doing bad things condemn them not the whole community.

    2. IDPS should not be tied to political solution this is unfair and moraly
    wrong.

  39. Jogoo_shujaa says:

    @Karanja Kamau and our larger Kenyan family

    Am with you on those two points, we need to look beyond what tribe we all come from and realize that our politicians are more than happy to use it to divide us. The more some of us continue with negative rhetoric about central the more harder it gets to move forward.
    To all, abandon your desires to condem or threaten the Agikuyu. You should know by now that the threats have not moved them or caused any flight from Kenya.
    You should now seek to work with them since they also belong to this beautiful nation and have a stake to protect.

    IDP’s will return to their farmers/home either someone likes it or not.

    As someone with deep roots in central province I cannot change my colours for any friend or foes. May peace and happiness fill your hearts.
    As you agonize on this political stalemate, some of us from the same place you seem to hate most are working on a solution to rid Kenya of the enemy of the people- the politician.

  40. Railkamuodho says:

    All Kalenjin,
    You may gain the whole world and lose your soul. Your scheme has been exposed and will soon hit the wall. One day you will realize as the nations progresses that people need each other- unless you want to remain in stone age where you have chunks of land with little development. Maybe when you open the vast land and learn to utilize it fully, you will know the sanctity of human life. I once declared that unless our people repent, the land upon which murders and destruction took place will remain desolate. So says the holy book. It does not matter who killed- both Kales and Kikuyus.
    The Kenya military should prepare to restore nolmacy in our nation if politicians cannot do that. Kenyans were so used to strongmen before that they do not understand any other language. Maybe we should seriously think about a military junta for the next couple of years before we resume civilian government.

  41. Railkamuodho says:

    What a military government does is just declare they are in power, suspend the constitution and declare elections in the next 2 ti 5 years. They may also close the borders and declare a curfew and put all our politicians under house arrest. Others may run away through foreign missions. But then if that will stop loss of life and destruction of property and resettlement of our people, so be it.

  42. Kim says:

    Railkamuodho

    Please let us stop talking about ethnicity but address the issues that are affecting us common men, there is serious need for the common people to reconcile because we are suffering, Forget about the rling class coz these guys are only interested in power.

    I know we come from the same community(Central), let us try and pass the message to our leaders that while they continue chest thumping, it is our brothers/sisters who are still in IDP’s suffering, others are sick no medicine for them, rainny season is just begining, it pains me when i see our kinsmen suffering, we should caltivate that spirit of brotherhood at all times.

    With the stalemate in cabinet naming, going back to election with the current mood in the country will only devide us more, coz i am sure RAO will carry the day but are we sure then with the current division we will heal the differences we have had.

    Solution still lies with forming an acceptable grand cabinet with equal portfolio balance then the necessary reforms to be carried out i.e Land reforms, Constitutional reforms and equitable distribution of resources so that nobody would feel left out, our country is bigger than the Saitotis, Karuas, Wetangulas, Kalonzos, Kajwangs, Rutos, MK, RAO.

    Leaders remain Leaders if only they can remove a Nation from pit of destruction to sanity.

  43. Turncoat says:

    RAILA IS NOW BEING DEMONISED TOGETHER WITH KIBAKI FOR FAILING TO REACH AN AGREEMENT. WELL KIBAKI FOR NOW SECEEDING ENUFF AND RAILA FOR NOT GOING THE WHOLE HOG. THE SAME THING THAT IS SAID TO A WEDDED COUPLE WHO FIGHT OFTEN. REALLY IS RAILA THE DEMON HERE.

    KENYANS AND THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY MUST REALIZE THAT NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE KIBAKI STOLE THE ELECTIONS IN DEC LAST YEAR. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO LEND CREDENCE TO A KLEPTOCRATS NORTH OF ZIMBABWE.

    THE ONLY REASON THEY SAY THEY ARE READY FOR RE-ELECTIONS IS BECAUSE THE I.P.O SEEMS TO HAVE SUCCEEDED AND THEY FEEL THEY HAVE ENUFF MONEY AND POWER TO RIG THE NEXT ELECTIONS.

  44. Abok says:

    Agent4change,

    Please publish the accord here for interpretation since the “Politician” has failed to interprate it with one voice. We can help them do it for our own interest.

  45. rafiq says:

    A tribe is not an enemy of anybody. The enemy are the leaders who are taking advantage of their community for protecion but eat alone. Unfortunately they bribe the poor folk to vote them in everytime.

    Jogoo and others we cant change the coulour of our skin, the tribe or dialect but we can change our thinking attitude and future. So you owe no one any apology for being of your descent. Lakini we need to enjoy and respect our diversity.

    We pay the same taxes while a chosen few loot from us with their relatives. When we take our things for service it is done by anybody qualified to do it, not based on tribe. So we have to separtae the tribe from negative politics.

  46. NURIA ABDI(from mandera) currently in eastlands NAIROBI says:

    @jane

    hey i hear u talking about international community and that they should leave kenyan affair alone? what stupidity? FOREIGNERS are only concern about they neighbours so jane u day dreaming to like mk and his kitchen cabinets…..its your high time u open up your eyes and face the reality….ROA is not running to international community but argue about the concern of kenyan citizens ……

    I SEE LIGHT IN ROA LEADERSHIP……..

    let central mp stop shouting about ruto’s name let them clear their names from PREVIOUS CORRUPTION…… RUTO IS EVERY KENYAN INSPIRATION….. A TRUE AND SELFLESS LEADER……

  47. Jogoo_shujaa says:

    @Kim

    Think positively, stop emphasizing about the past, find yourself a middle ground where we can all meet and chart a way forward without necessarily reminding each other of the evils that got us all in this mess.
    Am one of you and I don’t feel like you are being sincer. you don’t have to sugar coat your sentiments inorder to seem like you are with it.
    Point the issues as they are and everyone will start to trust the process. stop seeking for quick solutions that will be rendered useless as soon as RAO/MK gets a cold.

    There will be no solution without separating the two interest. Its either election or military junta.

    And don’t give me the constitution, the same parties will find a way to entrench their interest in the language and subsequent interpretaion.

    Be a forward thinker. I wish RAO to be a full president with all the rights and respect accorded to the chair and the same goes for me when my time comes; don’t look at me as a Kikuyu president since am one.

  48. hekimanaaamini says:

    There is no way RAILA AND KIBAKI can work together. Hypocrisy and geniune leadership cannot accomodate one another. in my opinion kenyan should demand more from President Kibaki. LET KIBAKI tell kenyans what he offered to ODM and what he actually understand by sharing of power. He should not issue blanket statements to kenyans promising the issue will be settled soon . We want to hear his side of the story. RAILA was bold enough to tell his side of the story and he allowed journalist to question him on the whole matter. BWANA KIBAKI MAMBO YA MEKUSHINDA. WANATI WATACHUKUA HAKI ZAO KWA NGUVU. SIKIO LA KUFA HALINA DAWA.

  49. Maru Kapkatet says:

    I AM APEALING TO FORD KENYA AND NEW FORD KENYA MPS TO STAND UP FOR KENYA.

    AFTER THE 2005 REFERENDUM, MR. MUSIKARI KOMBO HELPED MWAI KIBAKI TO CONTINUE HIS PRESIDENCY BY AGREEING TO JOIN THE CABINET ON CONDITION THAT KIBAKI APPOINTS A NUMBER OF FORD KENYA SUPPORTERS TO THE CABINET AND GOVERNMENT JOBS.

    BEING THE LIAR THAT HE IS KIBAKI AGREED TO ACT ON KOMBO’S LIST BUT ONCE KOMBO JOINED THE CABINET, KIBAKI FORGOT ABOUT THE LIST.

    IT IS TIME FORD KENYA AND NEW FORD KENYA MPS REVISIT KOMBO’S LIST. MWAI KIBAKI IS USING FORD KENYA, NEW FORD KENYA, AND KANU MPS TO PERPETUATE ILEGALITIES AND VIOLATIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE REGULATIONS BY RETAINING HIS FRIENDS WHO ARE ALL EXCLUSIVELY FROM KIBAKI’S ETHNIC GROUP AND HOME AREA IN THE CIVIL SERVICE WHEN THEY ARE WELL OVER THE MAQNDATORY RETIREMENT AGE.

    I AM APPEALING TO THE SUPPORTERS OF FORD KENYA, NEW FORD KENYA, AND KANU MPS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS TO STAND UP FOR KENYA AND DEMAND THAT KIBAKI TREATS ALL KENYANS EQUALLY.

    I AM APPEALING TO FORD KENYA AND NEW FORD KENYA MPS TO REMIND MWAI KIBAKI ABOUT THE KOMBO LIST AND TO DEMAND THAT KIBAKI ACTS ON THE LIST.

    I AM TOLD THAT WHEN THE GOING REALLY GETS TOUGH FOR KIBAKI, HE LITERALLY SHEDS TEARS (CRY BABY) TO CONVINCE THE OTHER PARTY TO DO THINGS HIS WAY. KENYANS MUST REFUSE TO BE SWAYED BY CROCODILE TEARS.

    FORD KENYA, NEW FORD KENYA, KENDA, KANU, AND FORD PEOPLE MPS MUST COME TOGETHER AND DEMAND THAT THINGS BE DONE TO BENEFIT KENYA AND THAT GOVERNMENT RULES AND REGULATIONS BE RESPECTED FOR THE SAKE OF FAIRNESS AND SMOOTH REALTIONS AMONGST ALL KENYAN ETHNIC GROUPS.

    KALONZO MUSYOKA HAS FAILED KENYANS. ARISE YOU OTHER PARTIES AND TELL PNU THE TRUTH.

  50. tnk says:

    jogoo

    in all fairness, Rafiq has been and always will be a moderate. many kenyans if you read other blogs are for separation due to apparently glaring and irreconcilable ideological difference in political thinking and approach to leadership. freedom of speech guarantees that we can all express our divergent views and follow it up with substantive argument. if its empty rhetoric then we can safely assume the person has no inkling of what s/he is talking about.

    in one of your posts above you imply that there are some changes imminent but could you kindly be a little more explicit rather than implicit. much appreciated if you could.

    also appreciate your reaching out to other bloggers, and also urge that even as you do, to treat everyone as equals because although not intended you do sometimes come across as patronizing or condescending.

  51. raphael says:

    Railkamuodho,
    stop quoting the bible in the wrong context and with wrong motives. we know that some things have gone wrong but this is not the time to and fuel to a fire that has stoped. this is time of reconciliation that every kenyan needs to take advantage of and preach peace & reconciliation. do you remember Jesus saying that if you are slapped on one cheek you give the other one also? He meant that we should never revenge any wrong. remember God says that vegeance belongs to him. ours is simply to forgive and to pray for those who wrong us. my brother Rail can you imagine that you might be loosing out of God’s blessings simply because you are carrying a heavy load of hate and unforgiveness. i am saying so because God answers only the prayers of the righteous (proverbs 15:29), and also because He is Holy and cannot be temped with evil (1Corinthians 10:9). be blessed as you meditate on those scriptures & please remember to join other kenyans in praying for the healing of our nation.

  52. rafiq says:

    @Jogoo,

    I beleieve in equity and equality. That all children should have equal rights and evverybody should have an equal chance in life. I would be the first to criticize if ODM the party we have supported so much would wake up and sideline a section of this country. The same should apply for PNU and its supporters.

    I have several friends who owe their life and career to people across the ethnic divide and would not tolerate any tribal hatred like me. However if we cant change the perspective of our leaders on transparent leadership then we are either victims or beneficiaries of the system.

    i dont want to go to the details and history but I think we need a new generation of Kenyans who can dare crticize their own if wrong.

  53. tnk says:

    regarding power sharing, this sort of bickering is to be expected frequently as the typical scenario if our national leaders cannot understand the principle of the peace accord and power sharing. the current nairobi council membership is a small scale power sharing balance, with problems of executive authority as well as ambiguous chains of commands, authority and protocol. there will be too much time spent on deals and under-cutiing

    http://www.kenyatimesonline.com/content.asp?catid=2&articleId=2784

    as for mutuas statement that kbki cannot respond in writing to ODM, that should be regarded with tons of suspicion and rejected. those one on one talks and then two almost opposite statements issued on what transpired is begging to get a little old and tired. let kibaki or his agents put down in writing their unambiguous response fro everyone to see. its too late for those behind the door whispering. the whoile world knows theres a problem, odm has stated its stand, kbiaki/pnu declare your stand. then lets move on

    @jogoo, noted, thank you, drop me a note anytime

  54. tnk says:

    jogoo on your last post.

    its good that change can be expected and am sure there are details you are not going into here. am therefore hoping that irrespective of the quality/calibre of leadership that will be presented, the basic tenets of democracy i.e a comprehensive participatory process for selecting and removal of leadership and its due process are adhered to. most of us are against an imposition of leadership irrespective of credentials and that is our current bone of contention and biggest issue perhaps even more in dispute than the actual quality of the characters behind leadership. many of us understand that we are a growing democracy and can accomodate some degree of less than adequate credentials in leadership, but we absolutely insist on full participatory approach and giving voice to the people to elect leaders of their choice.

    its however very encouraging and commendable your initiatives to foster greater harmony and you can definitely count on us if adherence to due democratic principles is what the movement is founded on.

  55. rafiq says:

    @Jogoo,

    Thanks. Please dont get me wrong I dont have any dislike for Central Kenya. I love these common guys. They know hard work and independence and accept challenges. Unfortunately the top you are talking about are yet to appreciate the strengths of others. I think todays youth has no issue with tribes especially if this stalemate ends peacefully. My request is there is to appreciate life beyond Kenya, our provinces, tribes, families, work place, residence,etc

    I am currently leaving for a trip out but will get in touch next time am in nairobi.

  56. kube says:

    i have taken time in recent times but i have decided to chip in a bit of my 3rd state opinion.

    from views that i read in the press and from worl leaders, it seems we are off the mark by passing the back without looking at the real problem.

    is kibaki keeping the important ministries for his PNU or his tribesmen?
    i think thats why kibaki will NEVER let go those ministries.
    my take is that why is it possible for kibaki to continue stuffing his tribesmen to important post?

    he continues to entrech tribalism in appointment. today is when i learnt that besides the ministers, all their ps’s also comes from central.

    does it mean PNU has only central ple who are competent?
    we have to unlock this stalemate by serving the interest of kenya but not tribal jingoists.
    how do u claim presidency while u continue to stuff only ua tribesmen?

    jane and jogoo, thats what brings resentment coz other kenyans feel they are the mercy of MT kenya MAfia for them even to get funding or security matters.

    if raila was to follow the same way by giving only LUOs all important posts, then i will remain partyless and wont vote again.

    but from the list of appointmenht i saw from Pentagon house, am convinced that The PRoblem is kibaki and World leaders should start telling the world most uggliest prezo Mwizi kibaki the truth that he lacks legitimacy to govern both locally and internationaly

    i rest my case

  57. Railkamuodho says:

    By the way, Central Province is not ready to support one of their own for the presidency. They may be planning to front Musalia Mudavadi for the seat. Though he supports RAO, you can see in his eyes that he is Kenyas gentleman and leader of choice. He goes beyond his tribe and detest murder and bad habbit. I do not see a Maragoli in Musalia, but an exceptional Kenyan of great quality and potential.
    Oh, by the way, I repeat here Luhyas are the most peacful people on earth. They are also hardworking. And once again, Raila does not condone chaos but you can tell when you look at the photo with US ambassendor, he is a distressed man. He is held hostage by Pentagon (especially the king maker Rutoh and Nyongo my heroe). He cannot make a decision without these guys. Wait and see whether he will meet Kibaki by his own. The pentagon has threatened him if he does so. That is the problem with collective Prime Ministership- hopeless.

  58. Railkamuodho says:

    I told you guys. The whole issue of cabinet stalemate is about Kibaki succession. Let me tell my half people to support Mudavadi or Kalonzo for the seat. We need another tribe at the top!!! NO KALENJIN NO KIKUYU. FULL STOP

  59. Jogoo_shujaa says:

    To All,

    I am sorry to let you know that as will as I am to have a healthy discourse with all of you, I deeply regret having to reach this decision of no longer participating in this blog, I give a lot of my personal time to share the thinking that guides events in our country. Rest assured that you are not the problem.

    My entry from yesterday in regard to generational changeover has been deleted.

    @Kube….I could have liked to gain a lot from you, but unfortunately the hand that gives and takes has come to snatch my desire to engage with you.

    @Railk….Soldier on. I know where you are heading.

    @rafiq and tnk.
    we are heading for interesting times. I wonder did my entry hit a nerve, why do people keep denying the obvious? If not why delete that entry that promised a lot for the future of KENYA in general and not just central province. Did it provide any threat to our so called leaders. My entry was in response to Rafiq’s 3:40 entry.

    The Vacuum is obvious, we all need the change from our leaders. The rest of kenya needs and deserves a generational changeover, not a makeover.

    As promised I will see you around.

    Thank you and good bye.

    @Agent4change
    You promised to maintain an open forum, you did not keep your end of the bargain. The opportunity to have free flow of information is part of democracy, so people can make informed judgment and decisions. If ODM took power today is this what we can expect from that government, where you will be the PS of information? You thought I don’t know you.

  60. Railkamuodho says:

    I stated the obvious and it was offensive to you. You deleted it. You have the discretion and monopoly. That is what a decisive communinist leadership is all about. Maoist regime in ODM!!

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