WHICH WAY FORWARD

We came out in numbers and voted for change,We were robbed of our victory,We called for peace as we dialogue. Now the talks have scrambled. Dear ODM ers which way forward?

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142 Responses to WHICH WAY FORWARD

  1. celine says:

    The way forward is coming out and fighting for our rights. We voted for change. If it will mean fighting and destroying property then be it. Marther Karua should keep quite. Lets give Kibaki hard time. I am also ready to die for the rights of my children in future. I rather live my lovely kids in the government of ODM which is safe than in the government full of glattons when I die

  2. faddie says:

    peaceful mass action is the only way.and let’s make sure we sustain the tempo for as long as it takes.already am told the timetable is out.please let ‘s all come out and defend our rights.that’s the only way to communicate to the world that we mean business.

  3. kanyeka says:

    This is what i suggest let us not accept kibaki as the president of Kenya this should include when addressing press conferences, it should go to civil society and anyone being interviewed. My president is Raila period.

  4. hekima naamini says:

    The struggles continue and patience must be our number one weapon. we need to be very patient and very consistence in our peaceful strugggle to dislodge the illigitimate president from the office. it nmight take time but this should not discourage from us fighting the elligitimate government of mwai kibaki.
    The strategy begins on tuesday , the official opening of the fourth parliament , we want ODM members of parliament to use their strength in parliament and experience to give the illigitimate goverment of kaemilio kibaki a hard time that will make business in the house almost impossible,
    ODM MP should make sure hon keneth marende is elected the next speaker of parliament. and in fact we should also have a deputy speaker of the parliament from the ODM. anybody from the smaller party who needs the support of ODM to be a deputy speaker like say GITOBU IMANYARA must never be accepted even if he promises to join our stuggle. Promises in politics are never fulfilled.We needed these people before the general election but there were not there when we needed them most.
    Kaemilio kibaki has beenhiding in the state house but he will have to come to parliament to official open the august house, Here he should at least come to taste the bitter pil of illigitimacy, He should never be acoorded the honour beffiting a head of state but should be treated like a thief in the street . WE KNOW HIM , HE CAN NEVER WITH STAND SUCH SITUATIONS. IM SURE HE MIGHT OPT TO CUT SHORT HIS CEREMONY, WATCH THIS SPACE.
    PLEASE RAILA AND THE ODM, WE NEED NOMINATED MPS WHO CAN BREATH FIRE AND FIRE AND NOTHING BUT FIRE. YOUNG MEN AMD WOMEN WHO CAN TAKE THE LIKES OF MARTHA ND KINYUA HEAD ON. No matter what community.they should be well educated and conversed with international law. THEY SHOULD BE YOUTHFUL EVEN IF IT MEANS PICKING FROM THE UNIVERSITIES.

    ORGANIZATION ORGANIZATION ORGANIZATION OF MASS ACTION . WE SHOULD BEGIN outside our house compounds. all house holds be it in the rural or in tthe urban centre should come together outside they house and sing patriotic songs peacefully, We should hold prayers together. the timing of these events should be decided so that all ODM supporters will hold such sessions. From there we shall build on together together with our neighbours, then our location , then to the divison level until we build and psyche the mass to match to state house to take over.

    KWELI HAIOGOPI TISHO, WALA NGUVU ZA MAJESHI
    KWELI ITASHINDA KESHO, KAMA LEO HAITOSHI.

  5. matrix says:

    In as much as we have been wronged, loss of lives should be condemned very clearly and very openly. Killings by police is the biggest injustice to a country as they are meant to protect human lives. With the same spirit that we are condemning these killings, let us also condemn the killings of innocent people all over the country in the strongest terms possible! ODM leasders are so powerful and so loved in the whole country. The power in their hands is 10 times that of the so called government. In the name of God or Allah, let us protect the lives of our people. We have been wronged yes, but let us not destroy God’s image; human life!

  6. Henry says:

    We may appear too angry but this is not the case.

    If this is let go so easily, we may be worse off than the Nyayo dictatorial years.

    This guys cannot listen to Mass action.

    Furthermore, the ODM MPS will start being porched slowly slowly until we are out.

    Why can’t we give this job to Kapondi Chesebe – the ODM mt Elgon MP.

    To me, this is the only way out.

    I’m sorry but nothing can make people realise you are not joking by equaling their force.

  7. Sam says:

    ODMers you know there is no way we can join PNU the difference is as day and night.The Ministry being formed are the same old ones,we are for complete change.

    1.Never refer to mr.Kibaki as President Kibaki.He is a thief,criminal!ODM MPs- elect must carefull on how they will be sworn in.
    2.The mass action must go on in every province
    3.The peoples President should name his complete government & cabinet,we elected him.
    4.We must continue with the struggle,mass actions and one the floor of the hse
    5.Bring on board smaller parties and seek their support
    6.Reach out to other friendlycountries for funding to run ODM government.

  8. Elizabeth says:

    We truly have to show the world that we are not happy. Peaceful Mass Action after very serious considerations is the only sure way out. (off camera though, if there is something Raila and the Pentagon have decided on…I WILL FOLLOW SUIT!) We have to come out and tell Kibaki that we do not want them. Why is he imposing himself on us? What is it that this clique of people want. Please Kenya is for all of us not for a few people.

    Kibaki should know that come 100 years from today, none of us will be around. We will all be dead, so I dont know what history Kibaki wants to leave behind. a greedy fool? a shameless leader? a thief? Can you imagine when my grandchild will tell his friend that Kenya once had a thief who stole the elections in the name of Mwai Kibaki? How sad!

    I am behind Raila & Pentagon fully. Just say whatever it is and I shall obey!

  9. Elizabeth says:

    Do you know what I see also as I had mentioned before, that Raila should go ahead and name its parallel government, so that we can explooit the potential that the pentagon has. We are oing to be waiting for too long for Kibaki and his group to fill their pockets before they start thinking of Kenyans.

    I am sure that we will get funding and support from the world over. The infrastructure is down the drains and going still. ODM can do something. I hope they have a plan C apart from the so called Mass Action. People I am boiling inside….really watu wachapane tu, na wachapane, and at the end of it all when it cools down for those who will be lucky to survive, they will tell our story, this is my nasty side. Hope I see the end of it all. You see sometimes you are squeezed too much at a corner with no options but to hit back. Yes I know you wil say this is sadistic, but what does Kibaki want? That we bow down to him and respond to his demands when we know so well he rigged openly?No Please!

  10. TURNCOAT says:

    THE TREE OF DEMOCRACY MUST BE WATERED BY BLOOD AND SWEAT OF PATRIOTS. KENYA I WILL BLEED FOR YOU.

  11. TURNCOAT says:

    IF THINGS GO ON LIKE THIS EVEN HARAMBEE STARS WILL LOSE TO SOMALI NATIONAL FOOTBALL TEAM.

  12. TURNCOAT says:

    IF THIS GOONS OF LEADERS COULD DO THIS. IF LET ALONE, THEY WILL PLAN ASSISNATIONS SIMILAR TO MBAES’ J.M, OUKO’S, KITILI MWENDWA’S. IT IS A STRUGGLE BETWEEN THE RICH AND THE POOR. THE MIDDLE CLASS ARE NOT HELPING HERE. THE JOURNALISTS ARE QUIET, TAILS BETWEEN LEGS, ENGINEERS PROFITEER FROM SHODDY DEALS, DOCTORS WANT ALL BIRTHS TO BE CEASERIANS SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE AN EXTRA BUCK. LAWYERS STEAL CLIENTS MONEY, ACCOUNTANTS FORGE CHECKS. IN SHORT LIKE KIBAKI SAID IN ONE OF HIS SPEECHES (I.C.P.A.K)AS A VICE PRESIDENT. THIS COUNTRY HAS NOT BEEN FAILED BY THE LEADERS. it has been failed by its professionals. NOTICE THE LOW RATE OF PROSECUTION IN THE COUNTRY IN THE LAST PAST FEW YEARS. THEY HAVE COLLUDED TO ROB MOTHER KENYA. and now the kibaki- wanabe president has robbed us of birth right. NO ONE HAS THE MORAL AUTHORITY TO CORRECT. the revoultion must change things.

  13. Aletheia says:

    Forward ever backward never. We have nothing else to loose but our lives. We lost our Freedom,, we lost our rights, we’ve lost our cities, now they want our dignity. Lets die with our heads up..lets fight to the end, lets not give in to dictatorship. we have nothing to loose, we’ve lost all. All that remains is their…violent mass action is the antidote. I rest my case!!!

  14. TURNCOAT says:

    LET US ALSO BE CAREFUL NOT TO RAISE AGUAMBO TO god STATUS. THAT IS THE BEGINING OF POVERTY. we need other tribes. SPREAD THIS MESSAGES TO OTHER WEBSITES. INCLUDING OUR KIKUYU BROTHERS. THESE LEADERS ARE ONLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF MEETING OUR ENDS AND YES they too are dispensable.

  15. Steve says:

    I do agree with Henry,please advise us if it is the issue of money we start contributeing.I do believe we are wasteing alot of time negotiating with loosers and we are the winners,otherwise ODM we will become irrelevant.we gave in peace for meadiation atmosphere but Lossers are takeing us for granted.
    We need an action lasting for more than a month and a serious action not just a funny fare.Patience is running out His Excellency Hon Raila come out and chatt away forward.

  16. lexx says:

    For me know that Raila Odinga is My president even tho they dint swear him in.kibaki cannt listen to mass action EU should not recognise him as the “president of kenya”.i would suggesr that we in ODM dont recognise him so is our mps and what we should walk out on him after they are sworn in periods

  17. BJ says:

    Sorry ODMrs. It is not lost yet. Elizabeth I can feel you my sister but don’t give up on hope.

    The ODM parallel government is a good idea, but I am not rich on ideas how. If Pentagon anounces I will support.

    Mass action should continue. My concern is that we the middle class seem to leave this to poor Kenyans, kindly let the organization be thorough and let us come out in numbers and say it loud.

    Nairobi needs to be paralysed. Paralysed and thoroughly paralysed.

    Kibaki will not eat this one- just a metter of time Raila will be the president.

  18. Pablo says:

    It is indeed sad to just sit and watch the thief getting away with what you sweat for. The Kibakis and Co have robbed Kenyans U and I inclusive of their rights, if I would pause why did I vote in the first place, then why did the obakos call for the elections, I feel cheated badly and I am really sorry to introduce my self as a Kenyan. I think if it would be possible Let us have to governments Western, Rift valley, Nyanza, Coast, Nairobi, and NEP Provinces for Raila Presidency and let the Kaos and Qs be headed by Kibaki I think that way they will know that Kenya is not for only Kambas and Kikuyus or Gema to cut the long story short. Let us have Peaceful and meaningful debates ad demos because I cant aford to swallow people martha Karua that is a devil she not a human being anyway may God help Kenya

  19. Norbert Ochola says:

    Am all in all in support for a peaceful protest . what we are going to do to make all of us undrestand the word PEACEFUL is what we all nedd to advocate for , or else this country will go to the DOGS> dDemocarcy does not come easy or cheap , but a way should be found to realy the message of JUSTICE and PEACE for all to comprehend and mainly in our Nyanza zones where we tend to go overboarb when we are annoyed.
    Raila we are with you body and soul.

    Norbert Ochola

  20. Otieno says:

    Kofi A coming or not, please ODM, let’s not cancel the rallies.

    Thanks for the 3 days of protests in more than 20 locations across Kenya. The people need to be addressed. We need to cripple Nairobi economically. Probably the middle class will get the message when they feel the pinch. Cripple Nairobi and the rest of the country suffers. We need to maintain peace though. No looting, intimidation, violence or killings

    Which way forward has been answered in previous posts; 1. mass action 2. parallel government…..

  21. Maru Kapkatet says:

    All Kenyans must share in their resources equally. All Kenyan communities have a God-given right to have one of their own vie for and become president of Kenya if elected.

    It is totally unacceptable that Kikuyus are the the exclusive rulers while the other Kenyan tribes are to remain the ruled. They are bribing soldiers and police to be loyal to them. Of what value is a KSh 10,000 bribe to an officer if his or her kinsmen are being killed or discriminated against.

    Kibaki is relying on bribery to survive. He bribed voters but he was still rejected. He is bribing even the security officers to kill for him.

    ODM must not let Kenyans – current and future generations – down. If the international community cannot help Kenyans, then Kenyans have to fight for their rights.

    Kibaki is a regional leader. ODM must take control of its regions and collect taxes and run a government.

    It will be the only language Kibaki, PNU, and the now-expanded GEMA will understand loud and clear.

    What does one go to parliament for? To debate and pass what sort of bills? If you are not genuinely free in your own country, then you have to fight to be free first – to have equal access to opportunities like Kibaki’s people.

    The Kenya of today is not a real and durable country. I have gone around some parts of Kenya. The population is growing and land, the only source of earning a living, is becoming more and more scarce.

    The Kenya of tomorrow will explode. There is no doubt about it unless Kenya gets unselfish rulers to lead a Kenya of all tribes and races.

    Kibaki has gone back to his ethnocentric tendecies – refusing to let any other Kenyan apart from GEMA be in chjarge of the Ministry of Finance, Internal Security and Provincial Administration, and Public Works, where big money will be handled.

    Why go to parliament for Kibaki’s Kenya?

  22. Steve wagude says:

    Bado Mapambano!The game has started,till they surrender.No more laughing with them.

  23. tnk says:

    dialogue is impractical based on Kibaki’s and PNU way of doing things i.e their way or forget it. secondly dialogue for purposes of government of national unit requires demonstrated commitment and viable or workable options. in this case cabinet has already been appointed and so the action is moot.

    mass protests, demonstrations although meant to be peaceful and well intended are being broken up by forces resulting in violence (even the women demonstrators in Coast last week and the women demonstrators in Nairobi this week are broken up by armed riot squads) which in turn degenerates into revenge violence attacks on communities deemed sympathetic to PNU/Kibaki elsewhere as well as innocent bystanders. this does not help ODM’s image either.

    Results from last three elections show all other provinces are willing to vote and work with leaders outside of their communities except for Central Kenya. Central kenya has obstinately voted only for their own community no matter what. We need to stop lying to ourselves a time will come when they will. I suggest perhaps foolishly to split the nation or secede and have central/eastern as one unit and the rest to be a new nation for united free and democratic people of africa.

    lets leave central/eastern kenya with their rulers and corrupt and skewed institutions. ODM can go to parliament to formalize the breakoff details. I’m tired of conflict, corruption and dictatorships all the time while the rest of the world moves on. We can never get consensus with Central Kenyans, and the few moderate and progressive democratic minded from these communities ironically become the target of hate both from their own communities as well as the others who perceive them unfairly as untrustworthy. we’ve been fighting for ages to get control of govt and public resources so that we can straighten out these institutions to provide what is basic rights of the people but keep hitting this brick wall first is was ford splitting to ford asili and ford kenya now its ODM vs ODM-kamba and central leaning PNU. We juts cant move on. its silly but lets work towards splitting the country in two and have those willing to be lead by central kenya leaders move into that country and those willing to work with the other regions move out to the other. just dont bring the corrupt kivuitu type institutions. sorry guys am really tired

  24. tnk says:

    i dont think kenyans were involved in creating those geographic boundaries so we can re-define boundaries that reflect more closely our political, democratic, social and economic ideology, principles and practice. those monarchy types in PNU can create their own fiefdoms and rule as they wish. just give the rest of us a break.

  25. Jane says:

    I totally agree with Turncoat. We need each other. As a civilised society and as the president from Ghana mentioned”Democracy dictates that even if you disagree over an issue, you continue living together, you don’t have to shoot at each other” we add that “and you don’t have to destroy your livelihood and what our forefathers have build over years!!!”. This invites curses upon your life.

    As the mass protests ( which have been declared illegal by police) are conducted we need all the children, wives and relatives of all the ODM leaders physically in the forefront of the rallies.

    Emotions aside , our MP’s have said they will attend parliament. Just to make sure they take care of their interest , the 0.5m monthly paycheque. What happens to those poor villagers down there in Kisumu who have rendered themselves jobless and hopeless after destroying their livelihoods?

    Politics and political affiliations can if not checked destroy our lives. I suppose we need to be seen as responsible people and persons of reasonable thinking.Let us be independent minded and realistic.

    Mass action or no mass action, we need to ensure that we do not continue to create tribal animosity but instead live in peace amongst each other exploiting our ethnic diversity and talents as we have done all our lives. We need all other tribes but if the ODM ers from Luo Nyanza and Uasin Gishu continue to destroy their livelihoods who will ever trust them, award contracts or employ even the elite. People from various walks of life will imagine anybody from Luo Nyanza or Uasin Gishu will burn the office incase of a dispute.

    No matter the urge please, Say no to Violence.Say no to destruction of property. say no to destruction of our livelihoods, say no to inciters, say no to tribal animosity,we understand Raila’s son has married a Kikuyu girl. She must be wondering ” oops must have been married to a primitive lot!!!”. say no destruction of what our forefathers have build over years of hard labour and sweat. Say no to abusive language.Say no to anarchy.

    Say yes to Peace and harmony.

    Thank you

  26. kiptooarap sirorei says:

    Never say die until victory is won for kenya.who cheats you that the alliance of kalonzo,saitoti and uhuru and G.moi will be willing to allow kenyans to have their way in the next elections.

    the envoys of deceit have gone out into the world capitals telling everybody that all is well in kenya and there is no need for worry or mediation of the conflict.the list was given of the envoys at large but moi’s name was omitted for obvious reasons.he is the chief architect of the doom in kenya now

    already there is a squad going round killing and maiming the odm suppoters and the targets are mainly the luos,kalenjins,luiyas.they are also targeting to further purge the police and military personnel of kalenjin origins and luos for dubious reasons just to secure their ground.some will be discharged from duty on flimsy grounds.

    how else can you back off,with all this in mind.

    they will wage war on all this fronts

    strategy ,discipline ,counterintelligence,and successful logistics are there fore required to win against this elite few out to deastroy our beloved nation.

    i am today tempted to conclude that kenya is not yet entirely free=not yet uhuru.

    freedom is still elusive

    paralyse the economy ,take as much time as it takes to let this guy quit out of office.
    we wannt freedom once and for all,complete and final.

    those who insist on him are the fisrt ones to flee.

    ensure your security and the security of the agitators,there should be one voice and one protocol.no going to school for our children until all things are sorted out.

    tell kenyans not to risk sending kids away.

  27. Otieno says:

    I feel you tnk….so, how do we go about seceding?

  28. tnk says:

    otieno

    am really angry about all this and if you read kumekucha blogspot you get hopelessly lost at the venom. it has been done before but with support from u know who and its a long and perilous journey

    http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-01-10-voa62.cfm

  29. tamasha says:

    I am so angry! I’ve been angry, depressed and then twice as angry since the 30th of December. I get even angrier when Afred Mutua, Danson Mungatana, Amos Kimunya, MARTHA KARUA, KALONZO MUSYOKA, MWAI KIBAKI, purport to speak for the ordinary Kenyan. That is you and me! The fourth Estate depress me with the calls for peace as do Bethuel Kiplagat and Sumbeiyo and I can’t help but ask myself how anyone can ask me to live my life as I did before my vote was stolen and a president forced down my throat! I keep asking myself why all these people can not see that Kenyan’s are angry very angry and until we get rid of that anger no solution no matter how divine will heal this country for the majority of us who wanted change and very emphatically announced it to the world via the ballot box. How do i forgive when am seething inside? this is not about me against the kikuyu or the mkamba or kisii, this is about my soul and well being getting violated, how do i forgive the rapists who have violated my country and my very soul? How do i find the heart to forgive Kibaki and his cronies when am so ANGRY and they’ve robbed me of my only weapon that gives me the right to say how i want my beloved Kenya to be run?????

  30. Kawere says:

    The best way forward is to stop issuing any press conferences by top ODM personlity. Let Salim lone do the talking. RO should not be seen for an even longer time.Infact if he is seen, let him be seen in Kisumu and Eldoret calming people down and promoting peaceful demonsttrations only.

    Also,let them retreat for a good 3-5 days without giving MK any contact or any information. Keep him in the dark and do a groundwork campaigns in the whole of Kenya.That way, ODM can feel what the eletorate really wants. Otherwise, the illegal government is just wasting time.

    Bado mapambano

  31. faith says:

    i am abit disheartened by the new generation now most of the young people now are shy of coming out and asking for good governance look at the generation who fought for multy party in 1992 the Raila’s, Anyang Nyongo, Mukhyisia Kituyi,Wanyiri Kihoro,Kiraitu, Muite,Orengo,Ngilu,Shikuku and many more are all in there mid 50’s to early 60’s now 15 years down the line it is a shame that the some of this people are still keeping the liberation torch burning for us and yet we young people in our 20’s, 30’s and 40’s are happy to be content when looters are taking our money and corruption is rampant dear bloggers Kibaki stole this election from us where are the new generation of leaders like the Njoya’s, Kivutha’s of the yesteryears to take the mantle of ensuring justiceis done our colleges which were involved in bringing change in the 80’s students like Wafula Buke, Mghanga who will replace them we should take that leadership starting from wenesday next week.

  32. ken says:

    kawere, that is the most sensible thing to come out of this forum in a long time, I hope agent4 change is listening.

  33. Lets not give them time we shd come out in large numbers demonstrate either peaceful or violent until we get our prezzy.

  34. We shd come out in large numbers and demonstrate whether peaceful or violent until we get our prezzy.

  35. Ogwel says:

    This is my take on the current situation in Kenya :-
    the fight here is not ethnic as we are forced to believe; it is about INJUSTICE- it is between the forces for change and those for the status quo. In the former group is the ODM and in the latter is PNU/KANU; these two parties have one thing in common, not only in their names, but also in the personalities composing them; a UNION of rich old guards and their opportunistic foster/biological sons. This grouping cuts across ethnic borders in a similar way it did since its inception by the founding president Jomo Kenyatta. It was designed to do what it experienced today- keeping the poor poorest and the rich richest and oppressing those championing real change for civilians. It is not worth stating that KANU is technically back in power, courtesy of the FIRST FAMILIES and their RICH network.

    We must therefore understand that this group of KANUist have a common interest of protecting their ill acquired wealth. This has nothing to do with a peasant Kikuyu/Kalenjin/Luo/Luhya/Kamba/Maasai and the rest, for they don’t benefit at all from the loot, but are being used through negative ethnicity to protect thieves from their respective communities. Ask yourself, how is Kalonzo’s VP’s position going to help Eastern province in general and Ukambani in particular, without good policies in force?

    The way forward is therefore very clear;we are going to accept nothing but justice, at whatever cost. Kenyans spoke decisively for change and the verdict is that we won. There is no amount of negotiation that will earn us our right, it must be combative and even brutal both in words and action, for that is the language THIEFS understand. Actually, do you negotiate with armed robbers?

    Kenyans, irrespective of their tribes, must stand up strongly against these oppressions by few rich individuals who do not understand the plight of ordinary Kenyans. ALU TA CONTINUA

  36. walter says:

    Dear ODMers and Agent4Change,

    The way forward is to focus our energy and resources( human,financial and intellect )on ways and means to ensure the so much yapped about economy is crippled to the extent that the thief ,impostor president and the back door government would not operate ( starved off revenue ).It is clear ODM won in all the provinces except two,therefore peaceful protest through mass action in the six provinces,the middle class not reporting to work in solidarity ( strike) people should stop going to work but join in the protest through the streets.
    The middle class is the letdown ,mainly because of fear of losing their jobs and the comfort zone but better comfort would be attained if we all participate in the protest to ensure we get what is rightfully ours i.e ODM government in it’s rightfully place.
    ODM should see how it’s supporters can acquire protective gear against the teargas and pepper laced water cannon .Supporters can come up with ideas on how to mobilise if possible overnite to the venues to beat the security detail and once there stay put camp in the venues until this” SHRIEK” steps down,the cops are human beings they would get tired.ODM needs to infiltrate the force and sweet talk the cops and security forces not to harm their fellow Kenyans and join the rest of the Kenyan people by refusing to be abused ,in other words downing their tools ,desert and join the massess in protest.
    If the force can be weakened,the economy is crippled,no parliamentary business,International pressure then the country will grind to a halt,then we can all march in millions to state house smoke Mr.and Mrs Shriek out of state house put them on a “mkokoteni”butt naked and together with the museum bound old men the cause of all this handcart them through the streets of nairobi enroute to othaya.
    We must all be ready to participate in the revolution,not just through the comfort of our sitting rooms but join the rest of the pple in the streets ,it’s for a just and worthy cause.
    The CIVIL SOCIETY,COTU and other WORKERS UNION,we must implore on businessmen and women in solidarity to close DOWN until justice is done!
    Lets us not think about making money ,it is time to think about creating a Just and decent society as opposed to the current one where greed is justified as “hardworking”it is this vice ( greed ) which has brought us to where we are today in the name of LAZIMA KAZI INENDELEE,We must say NO! KAZI IANZE SASA!

  37. Aletheia says:

    On Wednesday, am on the streets. I will not loot, or steal, or kill but i will shout out for my voice to be heard. I will march to Uhuru park, will You? Lets all go out , Period!

  38. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    JUST AS I’VE STATED ABOVE..ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND IS ENOUGH…WE WONT’ STAND-BY AND SEE POLICE,G.S.U. AND MUNGIKI KILL OUR BROTHERS’,MOTHERS,SISITERS AND CHILDREN AS WE WATCH HOPELESSLLY…

    GIVE US THE GUNS AND THE BOMBS SO THAT WE CAN MATCH THIS FORCE AND FIGHT FOR OUR DEMOCRACY AND THE HONEST WIN THAT WE VOTED FOR.

    BIG SUCCESSFULL DEMOCRATIC AND DEVELOPED STATES WENT THROUGH WAR AND ITS’ HIGH TIME WE WENT THAT WAY OR ELSE THE SELECTED ELITE OF AGIKUYU HEGEMONY WILL RULE UPON US WITH IMPUNITY FOREVER AND EVER.
    THERE WILL BE COLLATERAL DAMAGES,BUT THATS THE WAY IT GOES,KIMUNYA HAS TO BE PROVEN TO THAT INDEED WE ARE AT WAR,THE BIG BUSSINESS KIKUYU MAGNATES MUST SEE THEIR NAIROBI BUILDINGS AND BUSSINESSES GO DOWN IN RUINS,THERE MUST BE NO K.R.A. BUILDING,NO TREASURY BUILDING,NO CENTRAL BANK,NO PARLIAMENT AND NO EXPORT NOR IMPORT EITHER IN MOMBASA PORT OR AT LAKE VICTORIA NOR ACROSS THE BORDERS.

    WE CAN SECEDE..THE SIX PROVINCES….SO LONG AS WE HAVE THE GUNS AND BOMBS….WE AINT CHILDREN,WE WONT BE LED BY KIBAKI BY FORCE IN THIS ERA AND CENTURY.

    TELL THE O.D.M AND THE INTERNATIONAL OBSERVERS TO GIVE US GUNS AND BOMBS…WE CAN NOT FATHOM ANOTHER 5-YEARS OF A PRESIDENCY WE’VE REJECTED..LET ALONE ONE YEAR.

    WE WILL EVEN BE SUICIDE BOMBERS.,WE ARE READY…JUST TO DRIVE THE MESSAGE HOME…THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETENDING NOT TO BE ABLE TO SEE NOR HEAR.

    WE WILL SUICIDE BOMB THESE INTRANSIGENT BASTARDS AND LET THE REST OF KENYA ENJOY THE FRUITS OF OUR BLOOD AND DEATHS.

    WE PLEAD,GIVE US THE GUNS AND BOMBS,WE ARE READY.

    THE COUNTRY SHALL KNOW PEACE AFTER A BLOODY WAR.

    WE THE YOUTHS OF THE 6-PROVINCESM SAY.

    RIFT-VALLEY,WESTERN,NYANZA,COAST,NAIROBI,NORTH-EASTERN.

  39. Hanifv says:

    In an event that there is a re-run Charity becomes our ODM pres candidate. We split the Kamba votes with Kalonzo and get the rest of votes in Kenya except for Central. We win. Period.

  40. Steve says:

    We voted for our president,we were robbed in broadday light,the world was watching.what has come out clearly is that even if he had stollen and beaten thoroughly,kibaki was not going to handover power,so even the negos may not be fruitfull but for the sake of our future history records,lets allow them to give their opinions and suggestions,i believe the last one will be Kofi A,if kibaki does not listen to him and sign for nothing less than re running the presidential elections,then we the peopple of this country will jugg him out without dignity,he failed.he is fooling himself that he has the forces but we are telling him we are the pple.It will be in records that the pple of kenya let a civillian coup to uproot a self impossed president.
    Lets keeep on with mass action everywhere in the country including villages,peacefull demos and pressurerise the international comm and well wishers to come in and fund for a re run so that kibaki may not have any excuse at all.Believe you me,someone is bussy looting now in our tressury becoz they will say they used in the post election violence.lets act fast.
    Your excellency,Hon Raila,we are ready to fight for our rights,NO Rerunning No Peace.after all the only way the pple of kenya will be satisfied is only rerunning,lets loose when we know we have lost.NO GNU.how can somebody grab your ugali and tell u lets share????Never.Let the rallies go on for ONE Month,thelast day we will match to state house-1000000,and others to match to all state houses at provincial HQs and jugg him out.

  41. OPADO says:

    KALONZO HAS KILLED 600 AND DESPLACED 300 ,000 AFTER FORCING KIVUITU TO DECLEAR MUNGIKI REGIME A WINNER.SOTHAT THE LOOTERS CAN
    CHANGE THE GOAL POST.ITS NOW OUR TURN TO VOMIT MUNGIKI REGIME.KILL THEM WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOUR.MUNGIKI IS KNOWN TO BE A SECT OF MAD MEN.THEY CHEATED THE COUNTRY OF CHANGING PRISONS TO THREE STAR HOTEL.WE MUST ARREST SOME OF THEM INCLUDING KALONZO
    WHO ACTED TO THE WILL OF LOOTERS PUT HIM INSIDE.BURN THEIR HOMES
    DON’T STOP.NEGOTIATIONS TAKES YEARS EVEN GOD DONT KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES. MUNGIKI REGIME IS SOMETHING SMALL AND WEAK AND KENYA CAN FINISH THEM IN ONE DAY.INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY DON’T BELIEVE IF AFRICA RESPECT THE LAW AND UNDERSTANDS DEMOCRACY SO THEY WILL BE THEIR TO LISTEN TO YOU AND BELIEVE ALL THAT YOU CAN SAY WHEN OUR CHILDREN AND THEIR MOTHERS SUFFERED UNDER A TEAM OF KILLING SECT AND LOOTERS PANIC.YOU HAVE ALL THAT YOU NEED TO FORM A GOVERNMENT
    SO THAT THE MAJESTIC PEOPLES MANDATE HAVE ITS VALUE IT DESERVE.WHAT ARE YOU WAITING TO FORM AGOVERNMENT YOU THE LEADERS?MUNGIKI HAS TRIED TO SAY THAT ITS LUO KIKUYU AFFAIR BUT AU NOW KNOWS THAT ITS KENYANS MUNGIKI A FFAIR WITH COLABRATION OF
    LOOTERS PANIC.KILL THE POLICE DON’T GIVE THEM ACHACE TO TAKE YOU PRECIOUS LIFE FOR THEY ARE ONLY ACTING AS MUNGIKI AGENTS.KILL THEM I SAY USE HOT PURE,BEES,ACID,FUEL,PUT OIL ON THE ROADS AND LIGHT THE FIRE MUNGIKI MUST GO KENYANS MUST GO TO THE STREET TELL YOUR NEIGHBOURS. ITS A CCOMAND AND ORDER.LET KALONZO’S MIRACLES TO COME FOOLS DREAM A MEN. OPADO

  42. Barnabas ( Langata - Nairobi) says:

    I’m burning with anger, hate, about how things have gone. Our motherland going tothe dogs. Lets get out in the streets comrades – thats where our solution to the stalemate lies. Paralyze Kimunya, prove Mutua wrong the assumption that only a few people are causing chaos. Let truth be told, justice be done, then WE SHALL RECONCILE and peace will prevail. New ODM MPs not to swear in recognition for MK. Let them sit on Govt side as has been said. They may bring in GSU into Parliament this time. Then the rule of the Constitution will have been suspended. Then illegitimacy of MK WILL BE NAKED. Meet you at Uhuru Park on wednesday.

  43. TURNCOAT says:

    Faith i agree with u. How many university stikes did you hear about during Kiabki’s Era. In the past the Univeristy sturdents would have led the march. But alas its the ‘age of the Bluebanders’. On a cold day tough on the outside and soft on the inside. Karl Marx, Mwandawiro, Orengo, all comrades from the same school of thot.

  44. TURNCOAT says:

    I think i know what changed the Univeristy. Only children of the rich can afford it………….hmm raila donj e telo.

  45. TURNCOAT says:

    Look out for me out in the crowd heading to Uhuru park. I will have my jacket turned inside out. My jacket will remain as such till justice is restored to the rightful president.

  46. zizi says:

    Hello ODm suppoerters and sympathisers.

    Our passion for change is relentless. However, my concern is whether we are likely to get the best solutions without going the Rwanda, Congo, Somalia, Sudan…ways.

    Sometimes we use a very strong language on this blog which suggests that we are not likely to bring about the change we desire-in a more civilised way. Lessons around us show that guns and bombs never brought democracy. Show me one coutry that has earned democracy and justice through this way. All world heroes for a just world including Martin Luther King Jr, Mandela, Mahthma Gandhi, Orange Revolution Ukraine,……….name them, are icons because of the non-violent approach to disputes. Assessing from fellow bloggers here, we are totally divided and I personally find arguments for guns and bombs not one befiting a Raila president.

    In addition, we shall be frank here, I have been doing some media analysis and reporting about the conflict. I will tell you that the reporting has this ethnicised flavour. I want to tell us that as the country is falling apart, ODM members need not fall into this category. How possible? I got an email suggesting that this blog is basically a Luo Nyanza affair. So I sought to do a further analysis and I established that it is not necessarily true. We have people from different ethnic groups who are in support of RAO irrespective of ethnicity (6 provinces at least). But that is not to suggest that it is clean. How can we sustain this support without making people from other provinces think like, Ok this is a fight between luo and kikuyu and not democracy? I have started feeling like this attitude is emerging as the media continues to portray it that way. Democracy is for all of us and we should endeavour to nurture it that way. I hope someone is getting my point.

    Moreover, the message of hope and peace must not leave our fingertips. Hope that Kenya will never come down. Hope that we shall live together again as brothers and sisters without being judged by the twist of tounges. Hope that Kenya will remain as the eye of prosperity in Africa and an example of all other nations around us. Please preach hope and not doom.

    Lastly, I agree with Kawere. Raila should vanish from the limelight and leave things to Lone. Kibaki has left all the cheating to Mutua. I agree with that strategy. Raila shouldd not appear desperate. He should go out to Kisumu and Eldoret in a calm way. He should reach out to the business community and see how they are going to rebuild the fallen cities. That is the work of a presidential candidate. Let Lone do the talking.

    Kenya, Do not fall.

  47. Steve wagude says:

    ODM group and supporters,these is the time.If we ODM want to have what we had never had before “there for the good of kenyan mwananchi”,then we have to do what we have never done before.That’s another simpler way.
    Look at somebody like kalonzo,now he thinks that being a vp is a miracle that he talked about earlier.And something tells him that being a vp will solve the political crisis going on.To us being a vp is like the impact julia ojiambo had in ODM KENYA. Doesn’t change the colour of a litmus paper.we are kicking these group of thugs out.Mutua,martha and even the former president mwai wa kibaki.

  48. Anne says:

    We sing (and it is a Prayer):

    Kiswahili:

    EE Mungu Nguvu yetu,
    Ilete baraka kwetu,
    HAKI IWE NGAO NA MLINZI
    Na tukae na undugu amani na uhuru,
    Raha tupate na ustawi.

    English:

    Oh God of all creation,
    Bless this Our land and nation,
    JUSTICE BE OUR SHIELD AND DEFENDER,
    May we dwell i unity peace and liberty
    Plenty be found withi our borders.

    It is clear that before we dwell in UNITY, PEACE and LIBERTY, there is a prerequistite that JUSTICE be our SHIELD and DEFENDER. It is heartening to see “men of God” in Kenya asking for PEACE, when very few of them are pointing out the INJUSTICE that this illegal, illegitamate regime has done to millons of Kenyan’s voters by rigging and stealing the Presidential poll.

    This is a true test for the “men of God” in Kenya. When King David sinned, he was confronted by a Prophet of God and the Prophet did nit hide King Davis’s sin. Where are the Prophets of God in Kenya today. The true test for our religious leaders as the one who will stand up to the “Kenyan King” currently occupying State House and declare to him that HE IS THERE ILLEGALLY. Is it any wonder, that the NATIONAL ANTHEM (which is a Prayer) was not played during his hurried inauguaration at 6:45pm in the company of his few friends at State House.

    JUSTICE BE OUR SHIELD AND DEFENDER!!!! FOREVER!!!

  49. Anne says:

    I suggest the following:
    ODM to nominate the following into Parliament
    1. K.J.
    2. Mumbi Ng’aru
    3. Esther Pasaris
    4. Joe Nyagah
    5.Musa Sirma
    6. Billow Kerrow

    Then settle for Mwana wa Oyondi (Martin Shikuku) as speaker. Hon. Marende to remain MP for Emuhaya. Then take the fight to then in the Parliament as we also attack Kibaki via DAILY, PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS OF MULTITUDES OF ODMERS COUNTRY WIDE. The battle for justice must be fought from all fronts.

    JUSTICE MUST REMAI OUR SHIELD AND DEFENDER, NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDERING TO THIS ILLEGITIMATE REGIME!!!

  50. kenyaturncoat@gmail.com says:

    KIBAKI HAS TURNED STATE HOUSE INTO HOTEL CARLIFONIA. YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO THE ‘SONG HOTEL CARLIFONIA – BY EAGLES TO UNDERSTAND. THEN U WILL REALIZE WHY THE NATIONAL ANTHEM WAS NOT PLAYED.

  51. Sam says:

    they may be Ph.d (permanent head damage) holders for sure their heads are damaged Alfred Mutua claimed that John Kufuor Was just coming to have a cup of tea with the illegal president. Then to add salt to the injury Kimunya goes ahead to say that Kufuor left because he had better things to do. Kimunya said Kufuor left the country after he looked at the issues under dispute and realised “he had better things to do at home”. For Kimunya and company it is not an issue for him that people are
    being killed
    rendered homeless
    people are goine without medicines.
    What better things can there be that saving innocent lifes, providing people with basic needs, and ensuring their safety. If the voters could open their eyes they would see the kind of beasts we have in power, they must be vampires. To my fellow kinsmen i.e the Gema people open your eyes and see these people are only taking advantage of your ignorance we wnat leaders who rule by adhering to the law. I once remember my lecturer in college telling us the only common thing we share with a rich man in your community if your poor is the language. for the gema these piliticians are taking advantange of that to make you think they have your interests at heart, you toil in their tea and coffee farms.
    that’s why we should support ODm en masse! out with status quo.
    Long live ODM! let’s go ODM!

  52. A Kikuyu says:

    Pls Let’s stay away from tribalism. It’s true that Kibaki is Kuke and so are a lot of his goons. But there are plenty of Kikuyu’s (myself included) who are appalled at what he did.

    These guys want us to fall into the fallacy of tribalism.

    I suggest we take the high road and keep it as Kenyans for Democracy and Justice. and Kick those corrupt goons (regardless of tribe) out and pave the way for the new Kenya. As One.

  53. Maru Kapkatet says:

    A FRIENDLY BROTHER’S-KEEPER REMINDER TO MWAI KIBAKI:

    Adolf Hitler was, at one time, formidable.

    Baby Doc was money-hungry and formidable at one time.

    Slobodan MIlosevic was formidable at one time.

    Saddam Hussein was formidale at one time.

    Nicolae Ceausescu was formidable at one time.

    Idi Amin was fortmidale at one time.

    The Bothas were formidable at one time.

    You, Mwai Kibaki, right now with Museveni’s intelligence, police, and military help look formidable and the democratic wishes of millions of Kenyans mean nothing to you. The AU Chair gets no respect or decorum from you.

    Like all the formidable dictators before you, Mwai Kibaki, your time will come. No one knows how your end will come but it will come and when you are gone, millions of Kenyans will be spitting on any reminder of you.

  54. Anon says:

    Please nominate
    Pastor Browan

  55. Shaqmaya says:

    The pentagon should call for a national sit in , nobody should report on duty. We only need to do enough shopping of essential commodities. No work, No schools and whoever goes against this call will pay with the wrath of the people like his house being set ablaze. There will be no taxes.The economy will be paralised, the police will have nothing to eat and nobody to clob on the streets.Thieves in this bogus government will have nothing to loot.

  56. Nassir says:

    Hello Kenya;
    In my opinion as a Kenyan, I believe that the political turmoil in the Country was coursed by ignorance. I believe that President Kibaki should resign from the Presidency, and let the ECK and the World Community body recount the Presidential votes with accuracy, to determine who exactly won the Presidency of the Republic of Kenya. I believe that President Kibaki is getting bad influence from the former Kanu Regime, and should try to act democratically, since the recent elections reflected the peoples Republic choice. Thank you.

  57. Shaqmaya says:

    Museveni should keep his hands out of Kenyan affairs. He has been dictating Uganda for years and thinks he can do the same to Kenyans? Stupid Museveni!!!!

  58. Christina says:

    Rallying Cry

    I’m afraid,
    So I busy myself with things that can wait.
    I don’t want to see Kenyans die,
    Kenyans cry, Kenyans lose hope.
    I don’t want to see the look of despair on their faces,
    As they sift through the charcoaled belongings of their lives.
    A silent reminder that they are me,
    Afraid, alone and human

    I’m afraid,
    So I don’t give voice to the deep anger I feel,
    Fueled each day by the injustices that swirl around me.
    I refuse to cry, refuse to let hope vanish.
    Instead, I nurse anger, each day protecting it from the powers that be
    Pretending that as it grows, it doesn’t leave me shaken and uncomfortable with others and the silence around me

    I need to do something,
    To stay silent is to let fear break my spirit,
    To let family die without the hope that things will get better,
    To deny that I was ever a witness to the horror that wrongly labeled fellow Kenyans poor and unimportant,

    We are human!
    We have dignity!
    We have dreams!
    We have a right to vote for leaders
    And to see our vote counted!

    I don’t have to be afraid
    I choose not to be,
    Today, I’ll claim my right,
    I’ll defend it
    I will fight, I will fight, I will fight
    And I will survive….

    I AM a Kenyan….

  59. tnk says:

    the language and feeling is increasingly for fierce resistance to an illegitimate president. on the other hand the language and feeling of the PNU axis is increased force to surpress any opposition. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. 90% of support for Kibaki/PNU is Central/Eastern, and 90% for ODM is rest of Kenya. This pattern of support has been experienced from indepedence to date. In fact if it wasnt for single partt rule and strong arm tactics Moi would probably not have lasted 8 years, remember he was meant to be a “passing clud”. In effect the rest of Kenya has been “colonised” by Central/Eastern Kenya. If we absolutely cannot get any way forward with Kibaki and I don’t think we will then

    please read and get familiar with

    especially 13, 14 and 19

    http://www.tamilnation.org/selfdetermination/

    and

    http://www.tamilnation.org/selfdetermination/00conference.htm

    We need to avoid bloodshed and ethnic strife and tensions and I think we have to call it as it is, 90% Central/Eastern voter will vote one of their own. We can wait for 2012 and 2017 for repeat performance and validation, In the meantime thousands more lives will be lost or at risk due to ethnic divide, and mistrust and revenge attacks continue.

    Dont get me wrong and I want amicable resolution, but if Kibaki does not come up with some mega solution, and the PNU guys continue to point fingers at ODM then we are going nowhere.

    Rightfully or just an extension of 2002 mandate, Kibaki is the head of state and the amicable resolution and end of this impasse is in his court, all the resources revolve in his backyard. He has chosen to use strategy no 1 excessive force whereas there were other alternatives which was a poor choice. dangling/dishing out cabinet posts which is strategy no 2 is also not reasonable choice and both express arrogance and scorn towards those aggrieved. strategy no 3 is wait it out and in the meantime ban all rallies/media generally frustrate any opposition. In the meantime there are very insincere and half hearted moves at “dialogue”. and finally strategy 5 “mta do” i.e seek legal redress in any of the PNU controlled institutions

  60. Horesia says:

    Shamaqmaya, I support your suggestion of a national sit in/strike no one can force us to work but for it to be effective it must be supported by some form of peaceful demonstrations.

    This was the time for Uhuru, Muite and Kalonzo to stand up and be counted. PNU with 43 MPs is a minority. The 15 ODM-K and the 34 MPs from the fringe parties should have supported ODM (the party with majority) in a vote of no confidence against Kibaki’s attempt to rig himself back. But they chose the easiest option of supporting a thief and yet some of them proclaim that they are Christians and champion democracy!

    Kalonzo’s action is unfortunate but he cannot serve under a dictatorship for 20 years and claim to be a reformist. Raila was spot on when he said Kalonzo was part of the problem, he is one of the moles Moi planted to dismantle the opposition.

    We still have a long way to go but a few house keeping decisions must be made. First Kibaki must be rejected by all Kenyans who care for democracy. If we fail this time we shall have set a precedence that we will leave to regret. We must say no to a rigged poll at whatever cost and the middle class must participate and be prepared to sacrifice. Secondly the electoral commission must be reformed and some decision made on how voting will be supervised in areas perceived to be hostile to the electoral agents. Kivuitu and his team are a disgrace and they should resign immediately enmasse.

    Then and then only then should we conduct a re-run and this time all ODMers must ensure a huge turnout because if the elections are free and fair we shall accept the results. And I repeat only if the elections are free and fair shall we accept the outcome, otherwise we shal make it very difficult for anyone to govern this country through rigged results! Kibaki must brace himself for a long haul of resistance against his unlawful rule. We did it to Moi and we shall do it again to Kibaki. He should also see what is happening to Charles Taylor now before he turns Kenya into a killing field!

  61. Aletheia says:

    “Some trust in Chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the ame of the LORD our God” …(Psalm 20:7).
    Dear ODMers, lets not deify RAO lest we too be crushed. Lets trust in God that he will deliver to us RAO as his annointed servant… How? We are not quite sure! but when it happens we will know. Lets stage peaceful demonstrations..when the police block us lets stop and get into genuine prayer. lets not go back but peacefully push forward…sit down there, sleep there and keep pushing until they have no space. But we must not KILL, let them kill us if they want to.

  62. Shadrack says:

    ODM must immediately call for the impeachment of Kibaki and at the same time demand that Kivuitu be arrested and charged with treason. Let me address Kibaki’s issue first. KIbaki has lost the moral authority under all circumstances to govern. In the course of his first term and now capped with stealing the election, he has shown that he is the most dangerous perosn to the very existance of the Kenyan nation.

  63. Maru Kapkatet says:

    The ODM secretariat and the ODM Minister of Foreign Affairs should take the lead and Kenyans everywhere must support them in writting petition letters – email letters, snail mail letters – to:

    1. President Bush, Condoleeza Rice, the Government of the USA
    2. Prime Minister Brown, Foreign Secretary David Millband the UK Government
    3. Scretary General Don McKinnon and The Commonwealth Secretariat
    4. Pope Benedict and the Vatican
    5. Secretary General Ban Kin Moon and the UN
    6. The World Bank and the IMF
    7. The African Union and ADB
    8. Secretary General Javier Solana and The European Union

    begging the world and the international community to:

    a) help the people of Kenya in their quest for their human and democratic rights – God-given right to life and God-given right to choose their leaders
    b) help the people of Kenya have an equitable say in their government
    c) help the people of Kenya have access to equal opportunities to employment and business opportunities
    d) call upon Museveni of Uganda not to interfere in the affairs of Kenya
    e) put in place an immediate travel embargo on Kibaki’s ministers and officials
    f) put on hold, with immediate effect, any dealings or funding to the Kenyan government until a coalition government acceptable to all parties and mediated by the world has been put in place
    g) accuse and take action against Kibaki’s officials – John Michuki, the Internal Security PS, and Police Commissioner Ali Hussein for crimes against humanity for ordering the execution of hundreds of Kenyans who were legally protesting blatant violation of their democratic rights

    How can the world deal with a man who presided over the masssacre of his own people with intent to force them to accept stolen elections?

  64. jaugenya says:

    Raial Amolo Odinga is our leader and has always showed us the way , i know Raila expected this to happen and in his genius must have already thought of a plan B, i shall humbly wait for his command and iam ready to do anything to realize our dream as a nation.See you fellow odmers at UHURU park come Wednesday.

  65. Joseph Jakenya says:

    URGENT: 3000 NRA in Kenya ahead of rallies

    Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:03:05 -0800 (PST)

    Museveni on reuest by Mr. Kibaki has sent 3,000National Resistence Army troops to Kenya to assist Kibaki ahead of the ODM rallies. They left Uganda on the night of 12th January 2007 after a secrect consultation meeting among the NRA top oficials at the NRA headquarters near National Assembly in Kampala.

    Meanwhile, PNU is supporting Mungiki and a section of Police officer develop petrol and other chemical bombs which will be thrown to some building in Nairobi, Kisumu, Eldoret and Mombasa and put blame on ODM to justify an arrest of top ODM Pentagon members particularly Ruto and Raila.

    Please inform all ODM supporters abouy this scheme.

  66. Thomas Ngobe says:

    I am writing with a heavy heart full of tears which have refused to come through the eyes. I am very sad my fellow Kenyans and much more sad for being Kikuyu. However, I have consolation that Raila is The People’s president. How could Kibaki brazenly rig himself into the presidency fully knowing that he could never have been president had it not been through the charisma of Raila Odinga who marshalled former KANU MP’s to rebel against Moi’s chosen heir?. Throughout the tallying process, Raila had overlapped Kibaki and it is impossible for Kibaki to turn the tables no matter how he fared. What foxes me is how Kenyan voters could collude to give Raila full command of the house and reject him for the presidency. Never in a hundred years did Kibaki win the presidency. Every morning before leaving for work, I look at Raila’s picture with my son which was taken when he addressed Kenyans and the international community at the university of Toronto. My heart continues to swell because tears cannot come to my eyes.

  67. Ms. Adero says:

    Mr. Mwai Kibaki has degenerated from a reformer to a ”Toad King”. This process begins with the President becoming insensitive. Look at this pattern; he has broken one pledge after another without feeling a thing. And, as he does this, the question in his mind is: Where can you take me? In the case of the MoU for instance, we took him nowhere. The
    begrudged politicians yapped until the cows came home. He put his portrait on our currency even after pledging he would do that and we took him nowhere. He pledged for a free and fair election and one of his pledges was to guarantee security to Kenyan but what are we seeing now, blood shed, live bullets preferred for Kisumu residents , while tear gas and rubber bullets for the rest of the country. Look at his government of national unity, GNU indeed, it’s a GEMA unity. The general attitude here is this: If you do not like it, you can sit on a pin!

    Numbing his sense to popular voices has definitely degenerated into a state of paranoia. He is making one blunder after another. And instead of correcting his mistakes, he
    will increasing his speed in the direction of the wrong.

    At the risk of sounding crazy, I want to suggest the following: If we thought that Mr. Moi would plunge the country into civil strife, he proved us wrong. Kibaki is the Toad King to plunge the country into civil strife. It is my hope that the international community will have had time to reflect on the issues in Kenya.

    All his cabinet and their families should be slapped with a travel ban so that they stay with us in this burning country. They made the bed so let they lie on it with us. ”Toad King”- Kibaki must be forced to step down. You can never fight DICTATORSHIP with DEMOCRACY.

  68. Lily M says:

    Dear Mr President(Raila),

    I voted for change and thats what I want.

    Please do not back down coz I will be very angry.

    We are going to march to uhuru park.

    They PNU should let the peoples choice prevail.

    They PNU are very arrogant and are actually vomiting on the peoples shoes.

    I want change for my small baby.

    Mr president you are our president congratulations.

    Lily.

  69. Jamabinju says:

    Protests should continue. Young Kenyans for Raila, Young Professionals for Raila etc. Where are you? Were these just money minting schemes? Please read Faith’s contribution above and see what shoudl be done. Those who are afraid to join the street protests should be involved in a way. We need an offshore radio station. We need cash for our brave martyrs all over the country. God help us.

  70. Elizabeth says:

    I am matching to Uhuru Park on Wednesday. I am tired as a woman of this nation! I am tired of having to live in fear as I do. What will happen to my children when I am not here finally? I am going to safely park my car in the shed and match to Uhuru Park with those people from the other side of town! At the end of it all I am going to sit down with them and celebrate that elusive victory.

    Do you know something people, we are not going to get anywhere, say with me ….anywhere sitting at home watching others match on our behalf… and then we call oursleves ODMers! I really made noise for ODM last year and for sure we won, but the battle did not end there. We have to go that extra mile. Last year I was very liberal with my choice of words, but people this thing has got the better of me and I dont want to mince words here. Kibaki makes such bold moves that we can only match by bolder moves! Can you imagine an elephant stepping on a rabbit’s toe? This is what we are doing – we are making rabbits of oursleves! I am not saying violence here, dont misquote me.

    We have to make strong statements, shout louder so that the whole world can listen if Kibaki cannot. And you know they dont. Let him unleash his solders on the street and you know right now Kenya is ranking amongst the top places to watch in the world, we will see what they are made of spraying us with bullets, when we only have our voices and bare hands, and our numbers to count.

    Let Kibaki not think that he is holding us hostage in this country. He too is a hostage at State House. I he going to rule from state house with military police on the streets for 5 years? NO! Kibaki is not going to govern this country Mugabe way, Kibaki is forgetting that President Mugabe of Zimbabwe is having a backing of three quarters of Zimbabwe people behind him. Such that even if economic bans are slapped on Zimbabwe by the international communities, he has been able to manage. Kibaki has a backing of a quarter only of this country. May he go ahead and govern them.

    Raila Amollo Odinga… me I am dying with you. My dear president if you leave us, can we come with you? Sir we have reached a point of no return! There is no going back from here. Once again if this Koffi Annan talks yield nothing, Sir we have to form our own government so that we govern ourselves, work on our own infrastructure, have our own development agendas, and select our own people to the cabinet. Sir I know you have networks out there can you source for funds? I know you can (Are we asking for too much?), we will pay taxes to ODM government and not to Kibaki’s. Just say it and we shall obey. I am tired and rest my case. I know you are an enigma in this nation’s politics…just say the words and we shall do! We are tired of Kibaki!

    For how long are we going to live like this? I want the Kenya that I have all along known, not the one that Michuki, Karua, Kibaki and Kimunya has created.

    I WANT MY KENYA BACK!

  71. Nyarangi says:

    A gentle CAUTION!!! At the last rally call I tried to march peacfully to Uhuru Park (from Ngong Road) in a group of about 70, but shock on me!
    75% of my fellow ODM’ers were actually misguided Hooligans … no offence intended, just the candid truth. From tribal overtones to ill-intentions, even BEFORE there was a sight of a single cop!
    As bloggers we might argue reasonably, but on the ground stuff is different. It’s the bitter truth, be careful.

    Nyash

    PS: Not sure why my post is being filtered. Moderator?

  72. Elizabeth says:

    AGWAMBO do you remember the way you brought for Kibaki victory on a wheel chair? Watch this space! Na usilale. Am a bitter woman let me tell you…KWELI HII DUNIA HAIN AHSANTE! WE LIVE IN A THANKLESS WORLD! This is the truth and I have to tell it as it is. People, do not ever give anybody anything on a silver platter! Otherwise they will not respect it. Let them fight for it. Like they are fighting to hang on to power right now. Maybe after this, they will respect what they have if at all they manage to hang on for 5 years.

    We will not let them!!!

  73. Simeon says:

    KIBAKI MUST GO!!!!!!! THIS is the message we should get to him NOW!!! he knows only too well that he didn’t win this electiona nad he acts as if he doesn’t know: in his own words: “Mimi niliambiwa nimeshinda!” He should do to hell and burn there! Cmon people! Go to http://www.gopetition.com and sign a petition for kibaki to step down!

  74. Ms. Jackline says:

    The desire for peace is not something we can pass blithely upward, asking our leaders to deliver it. It is not something to pray for in others, when we harbour hate in our own hearts. Peace is not some hypothetical dream state: it is achieved by people being peaceful.

    It is easy to be peaceful when there is nothing to be angry about. When things are fine. But the time to deliver is precisely when there is hatred, injury, doubt, despair, darkness and sadness.

    We are in such a time today, and those people who are going to sow the seeds of love, pardon, faith, hope, light and joy need to stand up and be counted. Otherwise we will descend into tit-for-tat posturing and violence that we may regret for generations.

    The mostly affected are now the lower class, the middle class are on queue as businesses close down coz of poor business. The employers will not be able to sustain their workforce. Let us recognize first that there is plenty that ails this nation. We have been badly let down by the murky manipulations and sordid schemes of our political leaders. We know that our institutions do not act in the interests of the common people, many of whom have just had horrific violence visited upon them merely because of the names displayed on their identity cards. Thousands have lost their property and their livelihoods, through no fault of their own. Parents have lost their little children in unspeakable circumstances.

    There is much to be angry about, and many of us find the rage difficult to contain. And yet, this is precisely the time to live up to the higher purpose of the human being. There is a savage that lurks deep in all of us, and there are times when that savage rises to the surface and finds violent expression.

    The history of mankind is characterised by brutal outbursts of mindless violence, often targeting the most vulnerable and the most helpless. If our lives have a point, it is to rise above the urge to take revenge, to harbour resentment, to feel mindless hatred. In Kenya, we did not seem to get terribly angry when public money was routinely stolen by cabals of leaders; when land was parcelled out inequitably; when the rot of corruption was weakening our courts; when we repeatedly failed to design a constitution to protect our rights.

    Why then are we now angry at our neighbours for the way that they voted? The roots of this problem lie way back in our past, but our anger is directed at people we meet in the streets today. That is foolish and misguided. We are in this terrible place because we ourselves have tolerated low standards of behaviour for too long. That is why we must all become instruments of peace: because the fault is collectively ours, not that of some convenient bugbear out there.

    To be an instrument of peace is not to be weak; it is indeed to be stronger than any other. It is to do the right thing when others are failing the test. It is to resist the temptation to fight fire with fire, to counter deceit with deceit, to take an eye for an eye. It is to understand that we must not die with blood on our hands; that life only has meaning if we leave it a little better than we found it.

    It is time for Kenyans to rise to become instruments of their own peace; but to understand that that peace will not come from putting sticking-plaster on ancient wounds. For true, lasting peace to come, we will have to re-imagine this country: what it stands for and believes in; how it is led, and by whom; how it is managed and protected from itself; and how it grows and prospers for the benefit of all.

    That immense task begins with one very small step: holding out a hand of compassion and succour to those who have been harmed, irrespective of who they are.

  75. faith says:

    Hi bloggers

    I was dismayed by the people who heckled senselessy Maina Kiai just because he stands by the truth that Kibaki stole the prezzy can this people who were displaced say they are better than those who chased them why shout at a person whose work is to come and compile a report on the atrocities commited on them and what about Kibaki himself who was addressing wananchi when there houses were being burnt down just 200m away they should have booed the thief(prezzy) out of the podium.

  76. Jamabinju says:

    Faith,

    I was also shocked but not surprised at what happenned to Maina Kiai and teh Commissioners. This is what has also happenned to some ODM supporters from Central and even Kisii who have been sent away from their homes on blanket accusations. It is why ODM should find out for us some more sophisticated ways of protesting eg how can we make Kimunya, Karua, Mutua feel the pain we are feeling? How can we counter teargas when we conduct peaceful demos? How can we fund the brave and the media campaigns? etc

  77. Prince S says:

    My conclusion is that ODM and all their supporters should think outside the box. I believe there are myriad ways to address this issue with serious consequences on the Kibaki bootlickers than just going out to the streets. I believe with all my heart that these people will not bulge until some real pain is inflicted on them personally. Even a cat when connered can really be dangerous. This is what lesson this ill-sworn in government should start learning. ODM and its team should think again. It might not be as obvious as it may look. Some real intelligent moves will crack this stalemate.

  78. edduking says:

    I could not believe what I heard from a campaigner of PNU (Mutahi Kagwe’s right hand man). Accordingly, he gave me the following points:

    1. That Kibaki had accepted defeat earlier on the day he was announced the winner

    2. That Kibaki’s cronies refused at all cost to hand in power to Raila. They told Kibaki that if he was not to be inaugurated as the country’s president, then the power was to go to the millitary but never to Raila.

    3. That the current situation in RV Province is being instigated by PNU to enable them charge Ruto in the International Courts for genocide. Read UN involvement in the distribution of Food to the affected families.

    3. That no matter how hard or fowl ODM cries, power shall never,at whatever price or cost, be given to Raila Amollo Odinga.

    4. That US and some few European countries are supporters of Kibaki and ODM should forget about their Orange Revolution.

    5. That Coast province is slowly becoming a PNU zone, and very soon they will ensure this by nominating Taib to parliament and giving him a powerful ministry to counteract the Balala’s influence.

    6. That Mudavadi is sympathetic to violence affected individuals and may soon be a target to bring Western on board PNU’s boat.

    7. That NEP is already a PNU zone.

    9. That Museveni is playing a very crucial role to malign Luo Nyanza (read the death of Southern Sudan’s hero, the late Garang).

    10. And that one of the rigging mechanics vis a vis Mutahi Kagwe to replace the just sacked Stanely Murage as the president’s adviser.

    All these to me sounds logical and ODM, if you have any surprises to unleash, please do it now.

    Otherwise I tend to believe in this man!!

  79. Mudekhere Owiti Silas says:

    Kivuitu letter
    An Open Letter to Samuel Kivuitu, Chair of the Electoral Commission of Kenya
    Mr. Kivuitu,

    We’ve never met. It’s unlikely we ever will. But, like every other Kenyan, I will remember you for the rest of my life. The nausea I feel at the mention of your name may recede. The bitterness and grief will not.

    You had a mandate, Mr. Kivuitu. To deliver a free, fair and transparent election to the people of Kenya. You and your commission had 5 years to prepare. You had a tremendous pool of resources, skills, technical support, to draw on, including the experience and advice of your peers in the field – leaders and experts in governance, human rights, electoral process and constitutional law. You had the trust of 37 million Kenyans.

    We believed it was going to happen. On December 27th, a record 65% of registered Kenyan voters rose as early as 4am to vote. Stood in lines for up to 10 hours, in the sun, without food, drink, toilet facilities. As the results came in, we cheered when minister after powerful minister lost their parliamentary seats. When the voters of Rift Valley categorically rejected the three sons of Daniel Arap Moi, the despot who looted Kenya for 24 years. The country spoke through the ballot, en masse, against the mindblowing greed, corruption, human rights abuses, callous dismissal of Kenya’s poor, that have characterised the Kibaki administration.

    But Kibaki wasn’t going to go. When it became clear that you were announcing vote tallies that differed from those counted and confirmed in the constituencies, there was a sudden power blackout at the Kenyatta International Conference Centre, where the returns were being announced. Hundreds of GSU (General Service Unit) paramilitaries suddenly marched in. Ejected all media except the government mouthpiece Kenya Broadcasting Corporation.

    Fifteen minutes later, we watched, dumbfounded, as you declared Kibaki the winner. 30 minutes later, we watched in sickened disbelief and outrage, as you handed the announcement to Kibaki on the lawns of State House. Where the Chief Justice, strangely enough, had already arrived. Was waiting, fully robed, to hurriedly swear him in.

    You betrayed us. Perhaps we’ll never know when, or why, you made that decision. One rumor claims you were threatened with the execution of your entire family if you did not name Kibaki as presidential victor. When I heard it, I hoped it was true. Because at least then I could understand why you chose instead to plunge our country into civil war.

    I don’t believe that rumor any more. Not since you appeared on TV, looking tormented, sounding confused, contradicting yourself. Saying, among other things, that you did not resign because you “did not want the country to call me a coward”, but you “cannot state with certainty that Kibaki won the election”. Following that with the baffling statement “there are those around him [Kibaki] who should never have been born.” The camera operator had a sense of irony – the camera shifted several times to the scroll on your wall that read: “Help Me, Jesus.”

    As the Kenya Chapter of the International Commission of Jurists rescinds the Jurist of the Year award they bestowed on you, as the Law Society of Kenya strikes you from their Roll of Honour and disbars you, I wonder what goes through your mind these days.

    Do you think of the 300,000 Kenyans displaced from their homes, their lives? Of the thousands still trapped in police stations, churches, any refuge they can find, across the country? Without food, water, toilets, blankets? Of fields ready for harvest, razed to the ground? Of granaries filled with rotting grain, because no one can get to them? Of the Nairobi slum residents of Kibera, Mathare, Huruma, Dandora, ringed by GSU and police, denied exit, or access to medical treatment and emergency relief, for the crime of being poor in Kenya?

    I bet you haven’t made it to Jamhuri Park yet. But I’m sure you saw the news pictures of poor Americans, packed like battery chickens into their stadiums, when Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Imagine that here in Nairobi, Mr. Kivuitu. 75,000 Kenyans, crammed into a giant makeshift refugee camp. Our own Hurricane Kivuitu-Kibaki, driven by fire, rather than floods. By organized militia rather than crumbling levees. But the same root cause – the deep, colossal contempt of a tiny ruling class for the rest of humanity. Over 60% of our internal refugees are children. The human collateral damage of your decision.

    And now, imagine grief, Mr. Kivuitu. Grief so fierce, so deep, it shreds the muscle fibres of your heart. Violation so terrible, it grinds down the very organs of your body, forces the remnants through your kidneys, for you to piss out in red water. Multiply that feeling by every Kenyan who has watched a loved one slashed to death in the past week. Every parent whose child lies, killed by police bullets, in the mortuaries of Nairobi, Kisumu, Eldoret. Everyone who has run sobbing from a burning home or church, hearing the screams of those left behind. Every woman, girl, gang-raped.

    Do you sleep well these days, Mr. Kivuitu? I don’t. I have nightmares. I wake with my heart pounding, slow tears trickling from the corners of my eyes, random phrases running through my head:

    Remember how we felt in 2002? It’s all gone.
    (Muthoni Wanyeki, ED of Kenya Human Rights Commission, on the night of December 30th, 2007, after Kibaki was illegally sworn in as president).

    There is a crime here that goes beyond recrimination. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolise.
    (John Steinbeck, American writer, on the betrayal of internally displaced Americans, in The Grapes of Wrath)

    Haki iwe ngao na mlinzi….kila siku tuwe na shukrani
    (“Justice be our shield and defender….every day filled with thanksgiving” Lines from Kenya’s national anthem)

    I soothe myself back to patchy sleep with my mantra in these days, as our country burns and disintegrates around us:

    Courage.
    Courage comes.
    Courage comes from cultivating.
    Courage comes from cultivating the habit.
    Courage comes from cultivating the habit of refusing.
    Courage comes from cultivating the habit of refusing to let fear dictate one’s actions.
    (Aung San Suu Kyi, Burmese Nobel Peace Prize winner).

    I wake with a sense of unbearable sadness. Please let it not be true…..

    Meanwhile, the man you named President cowers in the State House, surrounded by a cabal of rapacious power brokers, and a bevy of sycophantic unseated Ministers and MPs, who jostle for position and succession. Who fuel the fires by any means they can, to keep themselves important, powerful, necessary. The smoke continues to rise from the torched swathes of Rift Valley, the gutted city of Kisumu, the slums of Nairobi and Mombasa. The Red Cross warns of an imminent cholera epidemic in Nyanza and Western Kenya, deprived for days now of electricity and water. Containers pile up at the Port of Mombasa, as ships, unable to unload cargo, leave still loaded. Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Southern Sudan, the DRC, all dependent on Kenyan transit for fuel and vital supplies, grind to a halt.

    A repressive regime rolls out its panoply of oppression against legitimate dissent. Who knew our police force had so many sleek, muscled, excellently-trained horses, to mow down protestors? Who guessed that in a city of perennial water shortages, we had high-powered water cannons to terrorize Kenyans off the streets?

    I am among the most fortunate of the fortunate. Not only am I still whole, alive, healthy, mobile; not only do I have food, shelter, transport, the safety of those I love; I have the gift of work. I have the privilege to be in the company of the most brilliant, principled, brave, resilient Kenyans of my generation. To contribute whatever I can as we organize, analyse, strategize, mobilize, draw on everything we know and can do, to save our country. I marvel at the sheer collective volume of trained intelligence, of skill, expertise, experience, in our meetings. At the ability to rise above personal tragedy – families still hostage in war zones, friends killed, homes overflowing with displaced relatives – to focus on the larger picture and envisage a solution.

    I listen to lawyers, social scientists, economists, youth activists, humanitarians; experts on conflict, human rights, governance, disaster relief; to Kenyans across every sector and ethnicity, and I think:

    Is this what we have trained all our lives for? To confront this epic catastrophe, caused by a group of old men who have already sucked everything they possibly can out of Kenya, yet will cling until they die to their absolute power?

    You know these people too, Mr. Kivuitu. The principled, brave, resilient, brilliant Kenyans. The idealists who took seriously the words we sang as schoolchildren, about building the nation. Some of them worked closely with you, right through the election. Some called you friend. You don’t even have the excuse that Kibaki, or his henchmen, might offer – that of inhabiting a world so removed from ours that they cannot fathom the reality of ordinary Kenyans. You know of the decades of struggle, bloodshed, faith and suffering that went into creating this fragile beautiful thing we called the “democratic space in Kenya.” So you can imagine the ways in which we engage with the unimaginable. We coin new similes:

    lie low like a 16A (the electoral tally form returned by each constituency, many of which were altered or missing in the final count)

    We joke about the Kivuitu effect – which turns internationalists, pan-Africanists, fervent advocates for the dissolution of borders, into nationalists who cry at the first verse of the national anthem:

    Ee Mungu nguvu yetu
    Ilete baraka kwetu
    Haki iwe ngao na mlinzi
    Natukae na undugu
    Amani na uhuru
    Raha tupate na ustawi.

    O God of all creation
    Bless this our land and nation
    Justice be our shield and defender
    May we dwell in unity
    Peace and liberty
    Plenty be found within our borders.

    Rarely do we allow ourselves pauses, to absorb the enormity of our country shattered, in 7 days. We cry, I think, in private. At least I do. In public, we mourn through irony, persistent humor, and action. Through the exercise of patience, stamina, fortitude, generosity, that humble me to witness. Through the fierce relentless focus of our best energies towards challenges of stomach-churning magnitude.

    We tell the stories that aren’t making it into the press. The retired general in Rift Valley sheltering 200 displaced families on his farm. The Muslim Medical Professionals offering free treatment to anyone injured in political protest. We challenge, over and over again, with increasing weariness, the international media coverage that presents this as “tribal warfare”, “ethnic conflict”, for an audience that visualises Africa through Hollywood: Hotel Rwanda, The Last King of Scotland, Blood Diamond.

    I wish you’d thought of those people, when you made the choice to betray them. I wish you’d drawn on their courage, their integrity, their clarity, when your own failed you. I wish you’d had the imagination to enter into the lives, the dreams, of 37 million Kenyans.

    But, as you’ve probably guessed by now, Mr. Kivuitu, this isn’t really a letter to you at all. This is an attempt to put words to what cannot be expressed in words. To mourn what is too immense to mourn. A clumsy groping for something beyond the word ‘heartbreak’. A futile attempt to communicate what can only be lived, moment by moment. This is a howl of anguish and rage. This is a love letter to a nation. This is a long low keening for my country.

    Shailja Patel

  80. Jamabinju says:

    edduking,

    Don’t be worried. PNU guys always believe what they hope. Read Prof Maathai’s article in todays’ Nation. They think Luhyas and Coastians can not withstand the struggle. That is an abuse on Luhyas and Coastians. Luhyas especially voted very Orange but PNU stole thir votes. Talk of rubbing salt on fresh wounds

  81. mgambi says:

    Raila and ODM team congratulations, you are the leaders we want and that is why we voted for change!

    The injustice is unbelievable, I cannot stand it, one more fraction!!! They have taken us all for bunch of fools.

    I am also worried about the safety of the ODM Pentagon team. Please be careful, these goons will stop at nothing as they have already shown us. We can see that they want to come up with all manner of reasons to silence you.

    We cannot stop fighting for our democratic rights, Shailja Patel has said it all http://www.shailja.com/news/newsletterblog/index.html

    The working class are suffering silently too……….

    We have no avenue to vent, we want to be allowed freedom of peaceful assembly after all it is our right. This is not about ethnicity, its about truth and justice.

    It is also about inequitable distribution of wealth, and persons forcing themselves down our throat. ” Tupende tusipende”

    Sadly even the relief aid, security etc is selective.

    At the Parliament, ODM Pentagon and team show PNU what we are made of
    We are Kenyans and not some elitist club from Central Province.

    Central province have alienated themselves and are now turning it around blaming ODM team. What a pity? How come other communities cannot conduct business and settle in Central Province? Other communities given the same resources can also prosper, hence we want equitable distribution of wealth.

    I want my children to embrace truth and justice, and not lies, hypocrisy and injustice. It seems poor looters are bad but rich looters are good.

    ODM we have to continue the struggle… until we get rid of this dictatorship vice.

    God bless Kenya

  82. tnk says:

    as a kenyan i have been let down by kivuitu and the ECK,
    by justice Gicheru and AG Wako,
    By Kalonzo and ODM-K (wapretender reformitsts)
    By the police force for shooting at unarmed civilians
    and now feel very let down by armed forces whose job it is to protect lives and territory of kenya against armed intruders. I cannot believe the army is not coming out to repulse the NRA, i can understand not interfering with internal squabbles but a foreign army whatever the reason is unacceptable. all their training is in vain.

    the business of mungiki being armed and working under the guise of police is unfortunate. Politicinas think people are like electric appliances and can be switched on and off at will. The mayhem ahead will be of untold dimensions.

  83. odoyo oriri says:

    Mr. Patel,I cannot say it better than you Mr. Patel. That was an excellent analysis Kenya’s crisis especially the acts of key players and the far reaching effect of their action. The country has a very serious problem of credibility both locally and internationally, people are angry. No amount talk will resolve the problem until justice and peace prevail–the two must go together just as Kibaki and Raila must meet. If the problem of voters riggingwhich is the genesis of current state is not resolved, Kenya will never be the same.

    Kalonzo himself know very well that Kibaki did not win why take Musalia’s seat. His presence in the goverment creats more problems than solving them. He must know that even majority of Kikuyus know that the election was rigged. I consulted a Senior Kenyan professor of statistics and he cannot comprehend how Kibaki could win only in one province and divide one with Kalonzo and still beat Raila.I am ashamed of my fellow church leaders and Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka call for peace but leave out justice. Where are the men and women of God who will say ‘thus says the Lord you shall not steal (vote rigging)’ And to Mr. Musyoka shame on you, please for sitting on a chair which Kenyans gave to Musalia Mudavadi at the polls. Why is Kibaki and Kalonzo afraid of mass action? If police comes in peace and do their job then there will be no problem. We all know that the mother of all present evil is simple STOLEN ELECTION . Police must know that they are there to uphold the law, protect the wanainchi. We have seen dangerous sign where police commissioner is making his laws to deny the wanainch their rights.

    We must have peaceful match for our freedom. The statement I read reported to have come from Nyanza police chief is very disturbing, she stated that …the only language the people of Nyanza understand is bullet. I hope this will not her line to shoot our people.

    And finally, Kalonzo should be the last person to talk about peace. If he had declined the position and focus on justice and peace which,as he articulted eloquently during the campaigns, I truly believe Kibaki would have been forced by the will of the people to meet Odinga by now. I really think Kalonzo is the happiest man in Kenya with this conflict. It has given him the chance to get what he could not get at the ballot, sounded like looting to me or receiving willfully and knowing the product was stolen. Do both you and Kibaki know that almost athousand Kenyans lost their lives because what went on at KICC; the blunt way the rigging was done?

    What Kalonzo has lost his credibility and I am afraid my of us who followed him as a christian leader feel cheated and dissolution by his lack of principles. I do not know what he will say about his statements about  the evils kibaki and his government. Please be careful Mr. Vice President you have reaped where you did not sow.

  84. Sam says:

    Agent4change,
    and the Great Nation of ODM,

    I still maintain that the only way to Beat Kibaki at this game is CIVIL STRIKES. Period!!
    Civil srikes are easy to control and will guarantee the participation of all Kenyans willing and unwilling. Street marches only attract the poor and jobless and thats what shores up Kibaki and his cohorts.

    Lets play a different Drum, Peaceful and Effective, plus this way everyone sacrifices, even the so called “Investors”. Mayhem attracts attention, Yes! but its negative attention, and its harder to differentiate the Culprits from the Victims.

    We ask RAO to request the Nation to STOP everything come Wednesday, and continue till Friday, at which point a review shall be conducted if to continue. There will be a few who may want to disobey the order but I assure you, they will not dare Leave their homes. You all know why.

    There will be no lootings and no dead wanainchi for Kibaki to crow to the world.

    ODM must also convince the World that the problem is not between Raila and Kibaki, but its Kibaki flaunting our Constitution on Free & Fair Elections.

    ODM, lets do it.

  85. matrix says:

    Fellow ODMers.
    We need all the support that we can get at this time. Divine power also works (i know there are some believers out there!). Let us not forget that what we are fighting for are our human rights. In the process of fighting for these rights, let us not forget God’s most basic right to human beings, the right to life.
    Let us not alienate God from our struggle by being associated in any way with violence leading to loss of human life. This is what PNU would like people to think of us.

    We need God on our side as well!! Let us all openly say this and with loud voices!!!

    Let us preach peacful demonstrations!!! God will show us the way. He has NEVER failed those that have truly believed in Him.

  86. Johnmaina says:

    Where are the university students they need to come and rescue kenya as they did in the past.

  87. Joseph Jakenya says:

    Please this is more serious than we thought, please somebody confirm this and let the Kenyans know.

    ALL NON-GEMA KENYA ARMY SOLDIERS SENT ON COMPULSORY LEAVE

    Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:15:06 +0000 (GMT)

    Attention all Kenyans!! Uganda soldiers are now in Kenya under the protection of our own armed forces. And do you know that all non-GEMA Kenya Army soldiers are being sent on compulsory leave as we speak?. Pray for our country and people

  88. zizi says:

    How does ODM get the speaker’s vote right.

    ODM has the support of 102 MPs (including the nominees – i hope they are not barred from voting). The strategy is to make sure that the voting goes to the third round where a simple majority carries the day. ODM is the most balanced party, with a solid 102 MPs, the next thing is to convince North Eastern MPs (mostly KANU) to see that Deputy Speaker is from North Eastern and they should support their own come what may. For Marende, the western vote from Ford-K, New-Ford kenya and other minor parties from western should be convinced to vote in their own. This strategy is dorminatly in favour of ODM. Although too late, a few calls in the morning can work them out.

    What say u?

  89. faith says:

    hallo hallo bloggers leo ni leo we need top make sure that the speaker position and the deputy is all ODM if need be ODM should read a riot act to the MP’s from kakamega from new Ford Kenya that it is imperative they support one of there own today and also to tell the somali community and muslim MP’s that they will have one of there own as deputy speaker Farah Maalim as per now ODM has 103 mp’s if we can add some two MP’s e.g Jirongo, Khalwale, Soita Shitanda we are through.

  90. faddie says:

    now that we have the majority in parliament and councils let’s use our numbers wisely.am impressed with the nominated mps from ODM.my advise now is regarding the council nominations especially for Nairobi.
    can somebody correct me if am wrong,but can a nominated councillor be a mayor?
    i wanted to suggest that ODM nominates Esther Passaris and using our numbers in the city council we elect her as the mayor.how about that?

  91. lexx says:

    i have just checked Nation today and i read an advert that pnu wants the pple claiming that if there were rigging claims it should be provided to them.i would like to ask odm and akina maina kiai to publish form 16A and form 16 so that the whole world can see who stole the election and in which particular constituency that is all that we want to see.
    they are even daring the internation community to provide the same i would love to see the forms above published in the media.

  92. Joseph Jakenya says:

    HGopw do you give evidence to the acused? Unless we want to loose the case.

  93. Joseph Jakenya says:

    How do you give evidence to the acused?

  94. tnk says:

    joesph

    exactly right

    the accused stole the election, was crowned by the (judge) chief justice and the prosecutor (ag) has not made a single move on any big fish all the time he’s been AG.

  95. Lilian says:

    I propose having a protest on a saturday…Most of the middle class people work on weekdays…So i am proposing on a Saturday…Then maybe everyone dresses in white with orange scarfs

  96. TURNCOAT says:

    Ohh lilian please stay home. Yours is an excuse we already know. Building the nation on wekdays and fighting in the weekend ? THE MP OF OTHAYA SHOULD NOT PARTAKE OF YOUR RATES AND TAXES. Is this why you cant come out in the streets ? I was there yesterday and my hand is still aching from throwing stones. At different moments i felt like the boys from GAZA.

  97. lexx says:

    Lilian kaa Home

  98. Pato says:

    As a Kikuyu, i fel like an alien on this prticular board. A lot of the things here are true. Democracy is at stake and no president should be sworn in after such a joke of an election. But this only as far as I agree with the ODM strategy. After this delusions and just simple tribal hatred takes over alienating the very people you need for a mass action.

    1. Why is Kibaki so confident of the kyuk support even after a vast marjority of his cronies were thrown out? because of RV

    2. Why will ODM mass action fail (it will fail), because of RV

    3. Why is kenya sliding into civil chaos and ethnic blood letting instead of a pro democracy mov’t? because of RV

    what you call a figh for democratic rights (and rightly so) has been hijacked and turned into an ethnic fight by extremist ON BOTH SIDES

    PNU hardliners are deluded if they think all this resentment and anger will simply everporate if they hang on long enough; but ODM hardliners are equally deluded if they think half amillion people will simply walk away from the only life they have known. Both sides are fighting to win a battle but regardless of who wins, the country will disintergrate.

    Even as akyuk I have little faith in PNU. they will sooner destroy this country than lose to raila. But justice and peace are still possible. after all dont we all want the same thing? RAila must remember that turning this into an ethnic fight only serves the interest of PNU, he has to reach out to moderates in GEMA, kisii and kamba zones and turn this into a Kenyans aganist tyranny war instead of a Luo/Kale/Luhya war aganist Kyuks

    The signs that this group exist is clear. look at the last general election most of Kibaki’s cronies were kicked out . those who did this were people like me who though not neccesarily Raila supporters, realised that men like Michuki and Karume portend ill for our country. RV has killed whatever moderate voices were there in central. Even inroads made by men like Nyagah are useless now. no one wants to listen to ‘people who throw children into burning buildings’

    If you learn to separate `kibaki from the kikuyu, then you will see kibaki’s strategy. His moves are aimed as much as killing moderates in central as containing ODM. As long as you lump them together, odm will fail and even if it wins the presidency, it will lose the country to a civil war.

    Statements by odinga making excuses for the Rv killers (bbc hardtalk) kill whatever sympathy and outrage that emerges on seeing policemen kill unarmed demonstrators in Kisumu. raila is fighting Kikuyus instead of Kibaki and no ethnic war is winnable (phillip ochieng last sunday but one).

    realizing that there are many kyuks (especially the young generation Y) who are alarmed by the death of democracy would be a major step. realizing that mass action only works if you have ‘masses’ with you (and no one will rally for what they see as an ethnic war). and whats the greatest weapon aganist Kibaki? if his own community or at leats sufficient numbers opposed his rule and demanded another poll.

    Having said this I want to say that not all kyuks are arrongant or tribalistic. to believe that is equivlent to believing that all Luos are lazy. those sort of stereotyping are born from the same tree.

  99. kenyaturncoat@gmail.com says:

    I WOULD LIKE TO LAMENT THE LOW LEVEL OF MAIL AND QUALITY SEEN IN THE RECENT PASS. IM YET TO SEE CONTRIBUTION BY POLITICIANS ON THIS BLOG URGING US ON. THE THIRD ESTATE IS NOT EVIDENT. IS IT THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW OF THIS BLOG ? IF SO I SUGGEST THAT SAMBAZA THE INFO. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK ANOTHER WEBSITE WHERE WE CAN AIR THE SAME SENTIMENTS AND REACH A WIDER AUDIENCE- NOTICE AMERICA IS STILL WISHY WASHY ABOUT THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS ILLEGITIMATE GOVT. WITH CAREFULLY RESEARCH ARTICLES WE COULD GIVE A BETTER CONTRIBTION TO THE STRUGGLE. THEN YOU WOULD NOT NOTICE MINNOWS LIKE mike owiti. INDEED I WOULD WANT KNOW THE THOUGHTS OF PEOPLE LIKE NGUNYI OR PHLIP OCHIENG even with a different name on the blog.

    LEST YOU FORGET, KIBAKI IS NOT THE PRESIDENT AS I HEAR MANY OF YOU NOW REFER TO HIM. HE IS JUST THE M.P FOR OTHAYA. ABBREVIATED AS (T.MFOT

  100. kenyaturncoat@gmail.com says:

    WITH THE LAST ARTICLE I TAKE A THREE DAY BREAK TO FAST, PRAY, AND VISIT THE DISPLACED IN ELDORET, KIBERA, AND KISUMU.

  101. tnk says:

    pato

    very interesting viewpoint.

    i like that you’d prefer to avoid stereotyping. But then you go ahead and condemn the entire RV which is a type of stereotyping.

    i also think that if these sentiments had been expressed prior to the elections they would have carried a lot more weight. as it is right now, there really is no room for moderates and whether you go with PNU or ODM is your choice but you cannot afford to be lukewarm. you already seen the small caucus of moderate MPs was quickly swallowed by PNU.

    mass action does not require a majority and if you check history thats just how it is. of course the more people, the larger the impact but mass actions start low key and eventually build up to a critical mass. if at this point in time there are people who still need to be explained to or bargained with to support an ODM action plan then they’ve already missed the boat.

    i do not want to bring the RV issue into focus here because whereas I do not condone or support any violence against any Kenyan, that problem has a history which is among the many unresolved/buried issues of our nation that will continue to resurface at the slightest provocation or excuse.

    those in support of ODM are in it for principle and yes criminal gangs have taken advantage on both sides but we must continue to fight for the right to holding a free, fair election and ensure that a there is a legitimate conclusion to the entire exercise and uphold the foundations of our fragile and evolving democracy.

  102. Pato says:

    TNK,

    I dont see how condemning the killing of Inocent people in RV is stereotyping. I did not say Kalenjins are kiling people (that would have been strereotyping). Am saying that innocent people have been killed and that is wrong.

    The issue of RV being a recurrent issue and hence is ‘ok’ when it happens again is wrong. The rwanda hatred and killings did not start in 1994 but that has not stopped the ICC from taking steps aganist those who organized the killings in 1994. neither did progroms aganist jews start with Hitler but the Nuremberg courts held him and his Nazis accountable for the killing of 6 million jews. past violence is not a ticket to start a fresh round of killings.

    Justice i believe is one of the things that you will never get unless you are willing to give it to others. When Raila goes on tv to announce that he will take action aganist the killings in kisumu (with my whole hearted support; no murderer should ever get away), he then goes on BBC to make silly excuses for the murderers who burnt little children in a church, one wonders what sort of a statesman he is.

    Again the line that we need to sort out political differences first before we deal with the murders is hypocritical of odm, why then go to the Hague for the killings in Kisumu, why not wait ’til a settlement is found’

    Looking at ODm, the predominant message is that it ok to kill Kikuyus, Kambas (and until a recent announcement by Raila in Kisumu, Kisiis) but its genocide when Luos are killed. Aparently some human lives are more expendable than others.

    We may not run around ripping railway lines off or burning buildings but you re sadly mistken if you think you can bury the antrocities in Rift Valley under the blanket of ‘spontanious election violence’ and get away with it.

  103. kanyeka says:

    Please! Please! Mr. Salim lone, James Orengo and others are we able to desist from calling kibaki as president the way you’ve been calling him in yesterdays press briefing and showdown on Nation TV Respectively. I think we should address him by any other name that is wildly available until this impasse is solved amicably.

    Amaniaje wanachungwa?

  104. tnk says:

    pato

    in all my contributions I deliberately avoid both the stereotyping and ethnicity.

    killing is wrong. oppression is wrong. dictatorship is wrong. corruption is wrong. stealing is wrong. dishonesty is wrong. the list goes on and on. you know it. I know it. everyone knows it. all crimes are punishable. selective justice is also criminal.

    we have a problem. we can hack at the symptoms or the root cause. take your pick i have mine.

    we are all human and often mix facts with our intepretations or prejudices and then try to sell it all off as an authentic package. some believe the whole hog while others evaluate the content.

    the facts and happenings, we are all aware, everything else is a matter of opinion.

  105. Pato says:

    You see tnk, my frustration at my countrymen is that if you listen to their griefs, as an objective impartial person, you quickly realize that we all want the same thing

    JUSTICE

    I dont then understand how then this translates into more injustice for all of us (fraudelent elections, killings, burnings)

    the middle class conveniently blame polticians for it but raila is yet to lift a panga to kill anyone and kiabki is yet to shoot anyone.

    WE ARE DOING THIS TO OURSELVES

    And yet if you go to any pro PNU site, they blame Raila for the violence. pro ODM sites like this one, they blame Kibaki.

    I know why the elite would want to rig an election but whether kibaki wins or loses does not impact me speacificaly in anyway (am a kyuk but raila has probably met kibaki more times that I ever will). but today, if i attempt to drive up to Eldoret, somewhere along the road, i will be hacked to death by men who have never met me and dont know anything about me apart from the fact that they will see my ethnicity from my id card.

    I desperetely want to believe that this is about democracy but the symptoms as you call them. suggest to me its about something else.

  106. Pato says:

    And for those who still believe in the spontanious violence thing, please read this report on the RV violence from the Human Rights Watch.

    http://hrw.org/english/docs/2008/01/23/kenya17859.htm

    I think its not just Ali who has a case to answer for crimes Aganist Humanity

  107. Walter says:

    Pato,

    The injustices which have been glossed over since independence and most recently the vote theft is a time bomb that has been waiting to explode,unfortunately the vote theft triggered the unecessary killings of the innocent adults and children.
    Under the present crisis theories will be invented,fingers will be pointed and the main cause / trigger glossed over.

    To my understanding and I stand to be corrected the killings in RV may not be as a result of the disputed / stolen vote,it is the land problem which the successive governments have refused to address and the disputed vote is being used as an excuse .At the moment the ODM is accussed of being behind the killings but I wonder in any State ,the security of the citizenry is the responsibility of the government.Don’t you think that it could be the government’s game plan as it has happened in the past to cast ODM in negative light?The government is the custodian of all the security apparatus,why is Nairobi not on fire ?to be specific the city centre,how come there is adequate security ,peaceful demonstrators have not been able to access Uhuru Park.
    Why was the same level of security not deployed in the RV if the government is not party to the killings .
    If there are a few indivinduals masquarading as ODM local officials in RV who are behind the killings they will be dealt with,but what we must understand is that in any confusion of this magnitude criminal elements take advantage to do their business.
    In Kisumu sources delude that the residents did not burn down properties this were hired/imported forces from UG,just because Kisumu is another ODM Stronghold ,the misguided tired Old men who belong in the museum,want to castigate the People’s President in negative light as somebody whose followers are destructive.My question is why has this level of violence been witnessed only in RV / Kisumu ,does it mean that there was no government to provide security to the people and their property,if this is not a conspiracy then what is ?
    The bottomline is the issue of the stolen vote which those involved are now glossing over ,is the motivation by those few gluttons power and money hungry fortified in state house instigating violence to divert attention from the REAL ISSUE ,VOTE THEFT ,hoping that it will soon dissappear just like they did with the infamous 2002 MOU.

    We all know Kibaki has never won a Presidential election 1992,1997 he lost and even in 2002 Raila won the elections for Kibaki,so it was obvious to Kibaki and team 2007 he was going to loose and he did,but I remember the last opinion poll released a week to the elections ,where Kibaki apparently was “breathing on Raila’s neck”this was the rigging process in play to physcologically prepare ODM supporters that the election had been predicted to go either way.In that very week KARUME was captured in print and electronic media saying that “Kibaki will be sworn in come what may”,and to his word ,the situation we are in today.

    By the way Raila and ODM government though the victory has been delayed would have united Kenyans just like the short lived NARC dream which the same “Crooks”derailed.

    Innocent lives have been lost property destroyed but this is the price of injustice ,

    the “LAW OF KARMA” primitive accumulation of wealth at the expense of the poor depriving them of opportunities to elevate themselves to a level where they can afford basic human needs ,has been perpetuated by the same Kibaki et al since 1963,they perpetuated and entrenched Social Darwinism ,now the rightful owners of the wealth want it…the LAW OF KARMA has finally caught up with the poor chaps.

  108. Pato says:

    Unbelievable.

    SNAP OUT OF IT MAN.

    Your ‘democracy’ was hijacked by murderers and in your blind faith you still defend them aganist facts. Ama Human rights watch are also kyuks? thats another line btw

    First it was Raila defending them on BBC. If the goverment did it, why would Raila defend the killers?

    In your blind faith in men, you have been taken for a ride. Now even the Juja rigging allegations have been blown apart unless according to ODM’s ad in the press on Sunday, 70% of Juja residents never voted.

    Thats why your leaders prefers the people’s court over the courts where evidence would not be looked at closely.

    poor people but thats what you get when you place blind faith in mortals

  109. mumias says:

    Pato,
    I just want to pose a question to you,
    Do you believe that Kibaki won this elections?
    Do you believe that the ECK was free and fair?
    Do you believe that all other observes, countries, and organisations that say the result was marred by irregularities are wrong and are infact pro ODM?

    Let’s start from here and get your stand before we proceed, this is because the answer to this question then entrenches our thinking from there on end

  110. Dahlia Brown says:

    God help me but this is the first time in 51 years that I am ashamed to be a Kenyan.

    On this site I have read people cry against the violence and death of the innocent Kenyan and in the same sentence ask for Guns and Bombs so that they may kill other Kenyans. I have read that this is not a tribal issue and yet find the same historical tribal contempt in the postings. I have read about the proposed distruction of the economy so that the government will not wish to rule a poor nation and I have read that only one side cheated in the elections and always it is the opposing side.

    Who is it that has suffered becuase of the actions of ODM and PNU. Has Kibaki or Raila gone home to a burnt house, a destroyed business to a dead wife or child. Have they been driven from their homes in the name of democracy. Have they cried on the street when they have discovered their lives and that of their families destroyed.

    In the name of Humanity, becuase surely the way we are acting God will have nothing to do with Kenya again until the mark of Caine is removed from our souls, let’s stop killing each other and calling for violence against our own nation becuase when these men are dead the consequences of the actions that we take today will reverberate through our nation.

    Can we not remember what happend to Ghana. When we become a second Somalia will we still blame the other side for the destruction of this country.

    Did we overcome colonialism and Moi just so that we will allow others to take there place. Whether they be ODM or PMU or ODMK. I give nothing for any elected official that shows such contempt for the people of Kenya that they would call upon them to die from the safety of their own luxury homes and offices.

    I agree. Hold new elections and refuse to let the current leaders stand because of the wonton destruction they have visited upon our Country. They have proved that they are not worthy of our respect. They have shown that they will only lead us to our destruction. In our nation is there no one worthy to lead us or have we got the leaders we deserve. Corrupt, selfish old men who put their arrogance ahead of their people.

  111. mumias says:

    I’m pretty sure all members here are of the same opinion that violence is not the answer and that we should stop all forms of this. However I believe one must really take a sober reflection of matters, not just on the 27th but matters as far back from 2002 when Kenya was on the other end of the spectrum and where people wore their Kenyan hats first then tribal hats.

    The truth of the matter the system of government in kenya has been one that leaves alot of decisions that affect a vast majority of people in the hands of a few individuals, this is why we have a situation where people’s hopes and dreams are always tied to an individual occupying statehouse. What you fail to understand is that people will always cling to the dream where those shackles will be removed and development/resources will not be tied to whoever occupies the house on the hill.

    Another truth is that ODM offered that dream and this time the poor people who represent the vast majority of people came to believe in the dream and believed in the man who proposed to bring this about. This is why you saw the largest voter turnout in history because alot was riding on this elections.

    Furthermore tribalism had festered amongst the people and people now wore tribal hats first then alligence to the nation came second. There has been some unresolved issues in Kenya that have never been fully addressed and frankly for the first time you had a candidate talking openly about addressing those issues and correcting those unresolved issues.

    Now people then decided to wait for the ballot box and use their voice to speak so as to change their destiny or belief that their destiny will be changed. This was 27th December 2007. Now there has been evidence of Govt commited to rig this election. You yourself I’m sure saw the TV when ballot boxes were being discovered. Incidents including in my home town Mumias of where premarked ballot boxes were discovered and seen live by people in a big businessman’s warehouse to be used in rigging! This was just one incident but they are many more. Further the way people took to defending and protecting the vote by standing vigil for days, setting up roadblocks to inspect cars coming into polling stations was testimony as to the importance.

    Now people feel all that was in vain, people feel that they were denied their due, and as a consequence they dream has been shattered. This is an outpouring of anger, and all directed at one tribe in particular. Now this is the cold reality, the bare truth.

    Now I do not condone any of this, but feel remorse for all innocent people whom merely exercised thier democratic right to vote for their candidate of choice being killed because of it. Pain as to why thousands of people are being made refugees in their own country, pain that it took the government weeks before they admitted a crisis is underway in the country, pain as a vast sum of people have been made to feel cheated and stripped of any voice they have.

    What you must understand is the seeds of hatred are now being planted in our children, the seeds of tribalism planted in all those who saw their parents killed by a friend and neighbour they called “uncle” and importantly the anger and yearning for revenge.
    In Mumias, there was a lorry of maize that had been sent there that was to be sold o people and this maize was poisned as revenge for the terrible things that happened to people whom had been brothers and sisters not long back!

    For every problem we can not just paint over the cracks, we need to address the very difficult and painful first step in finding truth, then look to rebuild reconciliation that will seek to reprogram the upcoming generation of people to forgive and forge and unite to form one nation and one symbol. Unfortunately given our current system as described earlier, this can only come about through decisions of a few individuals in Nairobi.

    Lastly I find it foolish to blame the leaders here, what you should know are in most cases especially immediately following the elections, the reaction was spontenious and the people came out without their politicians having said anything to protest in an eruption of anger. Yes perhaps the politicians thereafter have not been convincing in stopping it, but cynically with the current government, it took that to make them stand up. Whether you believe in the means or not should be your battle with your conscience.

    For me this needs to end soon or we shall have a very angry generation breeding and the culmination would be a harvesting of hate and a very unthinkable …..

  112. mumias says:

    I have scrolled through the current constitution several times. I need some help to interpret section 55 chapter 3
    “”If the National Assembly passes a resolution which is supported by the votes of a majority of all the members of the Assembly…declaring that it has no confidence in the Government of Kenya, and the President does not within three days of the passing of that resolution either resign from his office or dissolve Parliament, Parliament shall stand dissolved on the fourth day following the day on which that resolution was passed”.
    Constitution of Kenya, Chapter 3 Section 55 (3) ”

    My take is a simple majority gets one home. However some say 2/3 majority, in other sections such as constitutional ammendment it specifically spells out where one needs 2/3 majority whereas here it does not. Can somebody please seek advice from any respectable lawyer they may know and clarify.

    My guess is if it is a simple majority, then it is definately an option. Mark my words, Kibaki is not serious about mediation. What we as people can do is tell our MP’s that if they give us another chance we shall fully back them and re-elect them back for the courage of refusing “big money” and giving us another chance of going to the electorate.
    I see little risk in MP’s particularly from RV, Western, Nyanza, Coast, NEP and Nairobi, people spoke very loudly and I believe would do again.

  113. Pato says:

    You miss the point.

    The election was a sham. And as Kiai and even the idiot kivuitu said ‘no one knows who won the election’

    But this is not about the election, this is about a group of men who got together MANY MANY MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION AND PLANNED MASS MURDER WHICH ACCORDING TO THE HRW REPORT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED NO MATTER WHAT.

    THANK GOD THEY DID NOT TAKE POWER OTHERWISE MOST OF THOSE HALF AMILLION REFUGEES IN THE CAMPS WOULD NOW BE DEAD.

    I want to join your ranks and call for new elections, but I will never do it if it means being on the same rank wit ruto et al. IF IT MEANS THE ELDORET KILLERS WILL NOW HAVE CONTROL OF THE VERY SYSTEM THAT CAN BRING THEM TO JUSTICE.

    Note that am very clear that this is not about Kalenjins, most of whom are the people who saved the thoudsands who survived the ethnic cleansing. Its a corterie of criminals.

    At the end of the day, I am having to chose between dodgy politicians and mass murderers.

    My choice is obvious.

  114. Otsiatso says:

    Pato:
    Welcome on board, do not get yourself twisted into knots. What is happenning has a long history that goes back long before you. HRW completely glossed over the historical grievances that are the root cause of these violences. Of course every time it flairs up thereis organization, the question is why is there no hue and cry over Mt. Elgon, for example? We are too selective in our condemnation.
    As long as we have a country of tribal chauvinists , expect more of the same, sadly.

    Wakoloni created it, Kenyatta fanned it, Moi added more fuel and Kibaki has slept through it. My thesis is that it was bound to happen and it will continue to happen as long as the land issue is not addressed.

  115. zizi says:

    pato

    while i agree that it is was not the best thing to kill and maim, my reading of the report does not say the violence was organised months before. in fact the witness says that there was a rumor of war in eldoret. then wazee started organising…… I think the blame game is not the matter now. The fact is that we are in a constitutional crisis. Had the politicians not hijacked the bomas process, we may not have found ourselves in this situation. the constitutional moment came and slipped through our fingers. Little did we know that such would come to haunt us. What I see now is the actual constitutional moment reincanait. You remember the discussions that a constitution cannot be replaced in times of peace…. or something like that…..,may be they were right. This is the time that we need to sort out things once and for all. that is the only way we will end up looking at each differently-as kenyans of course. be it ruto you hate, kibaki you like or raila you can compromise. we need each other as a country. but for us to forment that relationship, we need new instituional archtecture that natures social justice. if each, whether community or individual, feels the sense of justice being guaranteed, we will look back and say, “there was no better time than this crisis”.

    so guys, i intimated before that it may not matter now whether kibaki or raila won the election. it may not matter whether there was ethnic cleansing in the rift valley. it may not matter now that there was massive polie irresponsibility in kisumu and kakamega. what may matter is what we are able to construct from the rubble of our own misgivings. that a new constitution. by the way, we do not need a referendum. tell the civil society that at such time, we do not need a referendum because kenyans already had one. this a crisis time.

    before i pen off, let me emphasise that this is not the time to take divisive actions. While I welcome HRW report, i wonder where they have been when some of my relatives were haunted out mt. elgon? where have they been if for 25 yrs killings have been going on in trans nzoia – west pokot borders. i have personally suffered because of the ethnic divisiveness in these areas. but governt and Human rights people have been making empty promises. we need reforms urgently.

  116. Dahlia Brown says:

    Mumias you respond to comments from users of this forum as if they are foolish children and you are some wise all seeing adult. Yes I saw the elections, yes I saw what happend at Langatta, yes my Uncle was murdered and his family displaced. Yes my nephew was murdered simply because he was not of the same tribe as those who stopped him and questioned him.

    It is the fault of our leaders who made wild promises that our economy could not support. Yes it is the fault of our leaders who did not take the opportunity to open parliament and vote Kibaki out through a vote of no confidence, as has happend today in Italy. Yes it is the fault of our leaders for calling for mass demonstrations knowing the response of the state.

    The issues that affect this country are the same as have affected all African countries. Tribalism. Tribalsim is an excuse for a few men to prosper and for many more to die in their name.

    We can all quote reports and historical documents. History is written by the winner and reports favour those who pay for them.

    The point that is being missed is that the only people who are in a position to stop what is happening in our country do not wish to becuase they crave power. Raila is no better then Kibaki in this matter. ODM is no better than PNU.

    Opportunities for reconciliation have been thrown away because of the pride, arrogance and stubbornness of two old men. It is time for new leaders to come forward and in the meantime it is time for Kenyans to say we will not die for these people.

    As a respected councillor said to me during to 2002 elections, “give these prople your support but remember they will not put a meal on the table for your family when you are not able. “

  117. Obonyo says:

    Hi guys let me share this

    Kofi Annan appears to have waved his MAGIC wand and viola all Kenyans are ululating with bliss. But just wait a minute? Was the Kibaki-Raila handshake the lull before the deadly storm that will make the present 1000 graves accommodating poor Kenyans look like a beautification parade? You guess right we are back to square one ala IPPG of 1997 and 2002 where deals were hammered with the sole intention of trashing them immediately thereafter.

    Kibaki DOES NOT mean any good for Kenya and any motion from him is meant to generate no meaningful movement. Annan has already reprimanded him for poisoning his mediation by a belligerent and careful reference to himself as ‘your duly elected President’. You don’t STEAL an election to hand it back, or do you? Kenyans must be aliens from Mars to accept that fallacy.

    Make no mistake. No everybody who goes against the current should be cheaply labelled a hardliner. By the way pessimists are not what they are demonized to be but in retrospection they are REALISTS. We cannot and will never solve our problems by sweeping them under the carpet. We must squarely address the genesis of the present turmoil. Cheating ourselves that we are looking at the bigger picture is to engage in self-deception. No forest exists without trees and the former is trivially the sum total of the later.

    Short-termism may help cool political temperatures yes but failing to confront our problems head on is to latently and unwitting incubate our national problems which will surely explode sooner rather than later. Justice has no synonym and can attempt to decapitate it only to have it mutate to its original form and demand redress.

    False confidence
    All the talk of power sharing may look rosy in between textbook pages but not for Kenya. The level of hatred has reached irreconcilable proportions. The supremacists will shout themselves hoarse urging all and sundry to move on. Common try another one. We know the hindsight and your eyes are singularly trained on the price: status quo and subjugation.

    You don’t negotiate with a serial promise broker beholden to a small clique of entrepreneurs who see Kenyans as the providers of a collective back to ride on for their selfish economic enterprises. No more and enough is enough. Raila and co have two choices: either to fight the war to its bitter and logical end or detour and win the ‘winnable’ battle with all the attendant BETRAYAL and loss of goodwill amongst majority of Kenyans.

    You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to decipher why a section of Kenyans demonize devolution of any shade – political and economic. Simple, devolution slashes profits and wipes away domination. Once bitten severally shy.

    Power games
    The Kibaki-Raila handshake was nothing but a smokescreen meant to mean nothing absolutely. The only point of convergence was a hollow mention of the word peace. Otherwise while speaks of JUSTICE and TRUTH, Kibaki take is RECONCILIATION and HEALING. Who is fooling who here? Granted, whoever is right or wrong is spurious in times of war. If we were to be honest with ourselves we would see all this for what it is: POWER GAMES with a predictable outcome.

    If Raila by any chance succumbs to pressure and betrays the majority he will be simply repeating history before it is even written. The NARC-LDP betrayals are still raw wounds inflicted by the same players. I wonder whether Rails is ready to jump into that cesspool of MISTRUST and BAD FAITH again. Time will tell and the time of judgment is here. Rails finds himself between the rock and the dark blue sea.

    Raila has to prove that his shoulders are large enough for the troubles of his many supporters and NOT just big enough for his ego and political expediency. I don’t envy the man any little bit. But the bottom line remains Raila’s position is not meant for the politically faint hearted. Good luck in the interim.

  118. mumias says:

    Can we not fight this in parliament. Kibaki is hiding behind the law, he knows constitutionally he is very protected. Should we not also seek a legal recourse. The constitution seems to say that only a majority is required for a vote of no confidence. If Kibaki is confident he won, then especially with Kalonzo on board he has nothing to fear!

    I just don’t see how people who dared push the country to the brink to prevent “that dangerous man” from power now willingly give it up.

  119. TURNCOAT says:

    Read walters articles over and over again then act

  120. Pato says:

    would be nice to hear ODMers refute these figures. After all you are giving up your lives for it. Lets forget the phrase ‘Every one knows kibaki Rigged’ and lets look at facts.

    Maybe the world is not flat afterall

    jUJA CONSTITUENCY (Registered voters = 163,397)

    ODM claims: Kibaki won 48,298 (voter turnout = 40.6%)

    ECK says: Kibaki won 100,390 (voter turnout = 73%)

    Ask yourselves, is a voter turnout of 40.6% consistent with a Kibaki stronghold?

    ODM’s claim is based on an incomplete update from 110 of 210 polling stations in Juja.

    ++

    MOLO CONSTITUENCY (Registered voters = 126,372)

    ODM claims: Kibaki won 50,175 votes (58.9% turnout)

    ECK says: Kibaki won 72,261 votes (76% turnout)

    Ask yourselves, is a 58.9% turnout in a Kibaki stronghold realistic?

    Molo average voter turnout 1992-2005 = 72%. Which version of results is more consistent with trends?

    ++

    NITHI CONSTITUENCY (Reg. voters = 123,972)

    ODM claims: Kibaki won 66,345 votes (55.0% turnout)

    ECK says: Kibaki won 95,693 votes (79% turnout)

    Ask yourselves, is a 55% turnout in a Kibaki stronghold realistic?

    Nithi average voter turnout 1992-2005 = 80%. Which version of results is more consistent with trends?

    ++

    KANDARA CONSTITUENCY (Registered voters ~ 85,000+ )

    ODM claims: Kibaki won 33,825 votes (~40% turnout)

    ECK says: Kibaki won 70,443 votes (~82% turnout)

    Ask yourselves, is a 40% turnout in a Kibaki stronghold realistic?

    ++

  121. Pato says:

    one day when the ‘Agwambo’ blinkers fall off your eyes, you will realize you have been taken for a grand ride by your ‘hero’

    No wonder he dares not go to court and prefers to use violence to force `Kibaki to give up a seat he rightly won.

    I watched orengo on NTV when challaged to make his case started talking of old men who surround the presdient. this is after Karua blew apart his allegations of rigging in Juja

  122. mumias says:

    Don’t be an idiot Pato, ODM did not base their figures just from polling stations in Juja and Molo, they got their figures from the announced figures given by the returning officer in the respective constituencies. Now if the figure is announced it follows that all polling stations results have been tallied before the announcement is made. Now are we to believe that even the EU were hired by ODM to claim the figures they had announced in Molo was different to that announced at KICC.
    Furthermore intuitively it makes little sense why over 50,000 people in Juja walked into the polls, marked the presidential papers, threw away the parliamentry even though it is one that directly affects their lives at the constituency level. Please
    So please address the actual argument!

  123. hekima NAAMINI says:

    WHY ARE YOU GIVING US THESE FIGURES , almost one month after the election, what is the source of these figures ECK, ?THEY have been busy trying to cook the figures , HOW LONG does it take them to put or cook tyhese figure.

    it is in record WILIAM KABOGO came up with the rigging fact , no responses from PNU. these guys thought the rigging issue will die in three days thus why they did not respond to the allegation , then . niow they have foind out that the issue of vote rigging is not dying,quckly there are coming out with figures cooked late during lunch time hours.
    REMMEMBER GUYS KOFFI ANNAN went to go and investigate the issue of vote rigging. THE PNU hope was that ANNA will only come to mediate the issue of peace omly.
    nataka KUULIZA SWALI MOJA NA NAOMBA JIBU KWA WAFUASI WA KIBAKI.

    KIBAKI ALICHAGULIWA KWA MASIKIZANO YA IPPG– COMMISIONER WA ECK WACHAGULIWE NA VYAMA VYA SIASA. SWALI —- KWA NINI KIBAKI ALICHAGUA MA COMMISIONER WA ECK PEKEE YAKE MARAFIKI WAKE? MUNALO JIBU .. NASUBIRI JIBU

  124. Walter says:

    Pato can say whatever makes him feel happy,but the facts are there in the PANUA dormain,KIBAKI HAS NEVER WON A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION..1992,1997 AND EVEN 2002 RAILA WON THE ELECTIONS FOR KIBAKI WHO WAS INCAPACITATED,PROBABLY HE HAS NOT RECOVERED FULLY FROM THE MENTAL INJURY,WE WISH HIM A QUICK RECOVERY.

    2007 RAILA AND ODM WON ,BUT THE VOTE STOLEN !
    How ignorant people can be ,listen to them open their mouths ..”even ODM RIGGED”
    Where in the world have you ever heard an opposition party rig elections?
    Kibaki appointed 19 out 21 commissioners,the commissioners appointed all polling staff ( mostly PANUA sympathisers),KIBAKI THE GOVERNMENT ORGANISED THE ELECTIONS AND RIGGED HIMSELF BACK IN OFFICE TO GOVERN 2 PROVINCES.

    How brilliant ,DR.WATSON ,was talking about this level of intellect ,if you know Dr.WATSON.

    I REST MY CASE

  125. kenyaturncoat@gmail.com says:

    What puzzles me is that the press was relaying the results from the tallying stations. How come no reference is made to these results even though many of them differ with the officials result. Or is this just a case of a spineless press ?

  126. tnk says:

    kenyaturncoat check out this report. pato in an earlier comment also agreed the election was a sham and then goes ahead and authoritatively quotes the sham figures. mind boggling

    ftp://ftp.wizzy.com/pub/wizzy/kenya/KPTJdata2.pdf

  127. kenyaturncoat@gmail.com says:

    TNK,
    THX JUST SAW THE FIGURES.
    ON 27TH, 28TH AND 29TH I HAD INSOMNIA. I FOLLOWED FIGURES FROM TALLYING STATIONS RELAYED BY THE PRESS ESPECIALLY KTN AND NATION TV, EVEN CITZEN TV HAD RAILA AHEAD. THESE FIGURES DIFFER THE FINAL E.C.K RESULT. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE INTERIM RESULTS FROM A TALLYING STATION. THE PRESS MUST HAVE TAKEN DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE RELAYING SUCH RESULTS. WHY IS THE PRESS MUM ABOUT THIS? IS THIS ALONE NOT EVIDENCE OF A RIGGED ELECTION. SOMEONE GET THE TAPES OF THESE TV STATIONS BEFORE THEY ARE ERASED. CAN MEN AND WOMEN OF JOURNALISTIC INTERGRITY STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH.

  128. kenyaturncoat@gmail.com says:

    YOUR EXCELLENCY,
    SEEING YOU STAND THERE WITH ANAN AND KIBAKI DURING THE PRESS CONFERENCE. AN EPISODE OF ALMOST TWO THOUSAND YEARS WAS RE-ENACTED. IF ANAN BE PONTIUS PILATE, THEN KIBAKI WAS BARNABAS………….ONLY THIS TIME YOU MUST NOT BE CRUCIFIED FOR HIS SINS. THERE WILL ONLY BE TWO THIEVES IN MOUNT GOLGOTHA, KIVUITU AND MWAI WA KIBAKI

  129. kasyoki says:

    Pato,

    Tell it to the bird.

    How on earth is it that almost two days after the election was conducted results for Juja were not ready while the one for Kapenguria (with poor infrasture) were completed the same night of voting?

    No amount of cooking will legitimise the fraud perpetrated by the former Gema chairman.

    In any case, the level of fraud we are talking about is close to .5m votes.

    Kibaki is an unmitigated fraudster who must has deliberately ruined Kenya for selfish ends.

  130. kasyoki says:

    Another thing. How comes the ECK never responded to PNU advert alleging irregularities that cost them 95000 votes? It confirms our fears that these conmen have been in cahoots to defraud the people of Kenya.

    ODM must have cornered these fraudsters with facts.

    The issue of ODM stealing the votes to rationalize the terrible injustice is a sorry excuse.
    All the commissioners who handled these election were representative of the PNU despot.

    So if they steal 0 .5 m VOTES for themselves and 50,000 votes for us they will achieve their target 0.45m votes. When queries are raised they will counter by saying everyone stole.

    We must not buy these spurious arguments designed to legitimise criminal activities perpetrated by the Othaya fraudster.

  131. kenyaturncoat@gmail.com says:

    My suggestion to ANAN is that we have a referendum asking Kenyans if they want to be ruled by Kibaki or Raila. This could pave the way for elections depending on the results of the referendum. The second question should be on whether to adopt MAJIMBOISM or not. But a re-run of the election is still the most viable solution. It is cheaper than the loss of lives even if it is only one more life is lost. Kibaki cannot be disqualified from running for re-election because he is on his first term.

  132. Pato says:

    Hi all.

    Everyday that goes by that ODm cannot put foward a coherent argurment not even neccecarily in court but even in the press makes me believe tht what ODM is trying to do is wrest power form a man they perceive as being weak.

    In addition to the above figures, little mention is the quiet change by ODM that kibaki got 3.7m votes. In their last figures they published, this was quietly changed to 4.1. Explanation? none given.

    The AP rigging story which cost the lives of two fficers is hardly mentioned now. its was one of thos oopps!

    About Kiambaa and KApenguria, the fact that it kakes longer to count 150,000 votes in Kiambaa as opposed to about 50,000 in Kapenguria is lost to ODMers.

    A few days I go, I believed the odm cry that kibaki rigged until I saw the ordinarily brilliant orengo on tv barely able to make a coherent arguement aganist Karua

    Anyway Until I see evidence anywhere, am begining to feel that what we are seeing in Kenya is a coup and if one one thinks he can use his fanatical supporters and violence to brow beat an entire nation (like he did to Orengo), then he can go to hell. Lets take this to its logical conclusion.

    Talking about kabogo as a credible guy is a joke. A gangster who lost the nominations and lost the election. A loser will say anything. But if Kabogo is the mainstay of ODM’s allegations of rigging, why not put him up in court?

    And please lets not even start on the unfolding genocide in RV thats targetting even Luhyas. So much for spontanious election violence. But this I dont blame Raila i actually blame Kibaki for allowing mass murderers to pull off such a horror

    Show us the evidence.

  133. Mudekhere Owiti Silas says:

    MIKE-JANE-AMANI–PATO?
    You still owe me some thoughts over the posts I did yesterday! We are still waiting!

    Can u comment about Naivasha? Could u draw parallels with what is happening in Kisumu; where protesters are being shot dead while the Mungiki in Naivasha are being escorted to butcher people?

    Let me assure u MIKE-JANE-AMANI–PATO, no man hah makende ya chuma; we are all flesh. The earlier you realised this the better…..

  134. mumias says:

    Pato,
    I’m not sure that Kabogo was given by any of us as a credible witness. Secondly why have you not mentioned Molo where the leader of the EU himself personally attests to the fact that what was announced in the constituency was different from that announced at KICC!
    Was he acting for ODM as well
    Furthermore ask yourself why everybody apart from PNU seems to think the tallying process was flawed? Oh I forgot, they too are in ODM books, both internal and external observers.
    Thirdly ODM will not publish all it’s evidence into the public domain, what if there is an impartial judiciary review to be established, any evidence published will not be immersible under any law as evidence, or it’s content can not be heavily relied on.

    My question to you is, do you feel that the election was free and fair?
    if so, then it explains why we are in this mess, and hence why I feel you and your president will not get us out of this mess any time soon, instead rather engage in theatrics as is the case with the latest Livondo issue.

    If it is legitimacy, why doesn’t Kibaki just order re-tallying of all votes under intense scrutiny of observers and media? it will at least give him legitimacy both internally and to some extent externally! ECK should have all the documents so it will be very simple process!

  135. Pato says:

    To that Owiti fellow,

    Having slaughtered Kyuks for three weeks your indignation at the burning of some people in a building is almost amusing. What did yu expect? well once you decide to solve issues with machetes, you quickly realize you dont have amonopoly over machetes. What did you expect? what are those guys in Naivasha doing that has not already been meted out to their cousins in RV a hundred times over. Sure no one has makende ya chuma and very soon you might have to prove that.

    To the more sane Mumias. Am very sorry that I had to tell owiti that. I may not be a smart person but i a smart enough to know that burning people in building has never solved anything. just produces more of the same

    The biggest flaw with ODM is that its crying wolf and when prodded shyies away from pinpointing the wolf. Sure INTL community said there was rigging and sure I imagine they are not ODM but the crucial element that you carefully dance away from is that all these groups say rigging was done by both ODM and PNU.

    Well that takes odm off its moral horse,. Ofcours PNU has as much a right to cry wof as ODM in the circumstabces except for one crucial difference; PNU won.

    Am afraid that Its up to ODM to prove its case and get a re-election. No winner has ever gone to court to challange his own victory

  136. Pato says:

    But At the point we are at, the election hardly seems to be of significant. . it does seem that we are going to have a very blood drenched demarcation of our country. We are locked in a downhill slide that can only end when we hit rock bottom.

    Hope that I will still be alive to pick up from where our nation will be at. But the certainlity of a bloody redermacation possibly even split of our country, an resigned myself to that.

    There is little Kibaki can do to stem the sheer rage in central.Some even want him to step down to allow for a more ‘manly’ leader to take over.

  137. mumias says:

    I have not danced away from the issue. True the international community has alleged rigging by both sides but they were also clear where that it was in the tallying of votes where the most heinous crimes were committed.

    Now I will not be partial in my endorsement of these election observers, I can’t be partial in only picking out things that back out my argument and ignore the rest hence I fully accept the fact they said irregularities occurred on both sides.

    Let us look at the degree of this. Firstly PNU agents being locked out of ODM zones was irregular and contributed to some of the criticism. Now I may be Naive but where have you had an opposition party being able to rig elections. Now I’m talking about affecting the process of tallying and announcements.
    If you are suggesting the latter, my intuition can not accept this. Besides even if somehow this were the case, does that justify PNU tilting the result at KICC?

    Surely even if the cynics agree that if you are to rig you do it on the ground, how do you justify what occured at KICC?
    I believe this was the key charge on the 2007 Election, the tallying process at KICC. Now ECK was a Kibaki appointed institution that failed in it’s impartiality test, how does ODM go to another where the CJ has already been implicated by being at the Swearing in ceremony. Where does one get confidence.

    My questions to you is thus,
    Kibaki and yourself are sure you won the elections?
    Do you accept the suspiscions surrounding the ECK have destroyed confidence in their annoucements?
    Do you also accept that the result sparked off bitter feelings and resentments amongst our people?
    Do you accept that serious legitimacy questions in the international eyes remain?

    Kibaki is sworn in as the president of Kenya (barring all disputes) he has a duty to protect ALL Kenyans regardless. What has Kibaki done to show leadership in this crisis?

    Lastly would it undermine him if he were to open up the books to the results for all to see?
    You can not and on a moral grounding just take upon a “wapende wasipende” approach, we are slipping into a unthinkable uncertainty.
    Certainty is needed, let him give us that. I can assure you if all is well with the books, ODM will quickly lose the sympathy and goodwill it enjoys internationally. The onus will now be on them to prove in court PNU rigged before hand, a harder preposition.

  138. Sunny Smith says:

    I am a former Kenyan living in the USA. I was there for 6 weeks from early December to first week in January, visiting family. I also work in toursim selling Kenya to tourists. I am absolutely horrified to see what is going on right now. All the Americans I talk to say how Kenya was always an African nation that has been able to maintain peace. The economy, tourism, etc has been improving greatly and I felt we were finally over the hump of negative publicity that affected tourism after 1998 bombings and tourism in general globally post 9.11.
    Now I hear of Luos killing Kikuyu, kikuyu killing Luos. We are now dehumaninzing beloved Kenyans to tribal labels. Visit the Genocide Museum in Kigali. You will see a room dediccated to the children who lost their lives – innocent children. Under each photo you are told the name of the child, his or her favorite food, his or her last memory, and how he or she died. It puts a human face on genocide. These are not Luos or Kikuyus, but mothers, daughters, fathers, sons, grandparents and grandchildren.
    I pray for peace. I fear for Kenya. How Long will it take to recover from this mayhem? Who will get the country under control – – call in the army and the next thing is there is a military coup? What is the solution? The leaders of Kenya have failed us. Who is responsible for getting these disparate youth so charged up with hatred they are killing? Did political party propoganda release a time bomb that no one was ready for? Such short sightedness. I say stop pointing fingers at one another Mr. Kibaki and Mr. Odinga and get the country under control. If you really loved your country and your countrymen then this would not have happened. You would have put your egos aside and worked it out and not reduced the country to barbarism.

  139. Pato says:

    Mumias,

    Am not sure I get what you are asking for. Are you asking for a retallying? because last time I heard about it, it was the goverment, through Amos Wako, who were fronting for a retallying and ODM was demanding nothing less than Kibaki stepping down.

    As for the eck having doubts. Let me first say that they are the biggest morons that I know of. I dont know if you are in Kenya but if you are, you would know by now that they have changed their view again and now are sure that there was no rigging. Why you think the doubts or the confidence of these sort of people is worth your consideration is beyond me

    I hear you about the courts but ODM’s past records with the courts raises doubts. As late as december ODM was in court challanging the sfaricom IPO. To then turn around and 2/3 weeks later claim the courts are partial seems rather hypocritical to me. Secondly if indeed I have evidence but am afraid that that courts are compromised, should I not push for an independent authority which will hear my evidence (even if its interenationally constituted) so that As I run around the streets uprooting railways lines and hacking innnocent people, I have made My case clear to all and sundry?

    ODM call for Kibaki to resign seems to me rather presumptious. A case of ‘start your jail time even while we are figuring out your case’ I believe it goes innocent until proven guilty’

    As it is right now, by refusing to present evidence to anyone, ODM seems more like they are interested in pushing for Kibaki to quit rather than proving that a crime has been committed.
    While using violence and economic destruction as leverage.

    They may fear that the courts are compromised which may be true, bu also possible is that they either have no evidence or a court may find them guilty of even bigger election malpractices. As things stand, the two arguements could carry weight anywhere and no prze for guessing which one the different sides adopt as the truth.

    But mumias, Am afraid you and I are stuck in a time warp. Event have overtaken us and its doubtful if the mobs baying for blood in NAivasha or kakamega even have the election in mind. Yesterday booing of Saitoti in NAivasha by kikuyu mobs and the raging violence in RV shows what moderates have been pointing out. Sooner or later, this thing will develop its own legs.

  140. Nyanam-Former Kenyan says:

    it is time that we stand up for our God given rights and fight thieves, corrupt, and ignorant politicians like kibaki. kibaki and his goons stole the presidency from Raila and have thus made Kenya a political pariah. there is not any one person in the world who recognizes kibaki and his defacto government aside from his laughing stalk museveni who does not know mbele wala nyuma. the way forward is to divide the country into two: Western Kenya and Eastern Kenya. That way, kibaki and his defacto government can lead central and eastern provinces who voted for him, and Raila becomes the president of Western Kenya. kibaki and his people cannot be trusted. in 2002 Raila gave him the presidency on a plater and long and behold he got drunk with power and fired Raila and all those who were fighting injustices and corruption. Who can forget the MOU??? power-sharing is just away for kibaki to woe ODM and then after a few months he will throw them out again. why is PNU afraid of re-elction, retallying of votes??? A thieve will always be a thief. I know of many Kenyans who have left Kenya because of the likes of PNU. Soon Kenya will not have any professionals but will be governed by PNU who can’t even speak ENGLISH. People like martha karua are a terrible example to women all over the world-too arrogant even to think straight. Is her education even legitimate??? What we know is that Raila is the Presidence of the Republic of Kenya because he was elected by the people of Kenya. One day they will have to answer to our children why they killed their parents, disrupted their lives, and funded the mungiki to kill other tribes in nakuru and naivasha. Live Long Raila Odinga, Live Long ODM. You are our only hope for tomorrow, God/Allah willing.

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